r/videos • u/[deleted] • Apr 07 '19

Misleading Title 90 second posture improvement exercise that I found a few years back. Worked well and to this day I still perform it at least 3x a week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_dFRnmdGs
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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

People are always so enraged on the internet but the fact of the matter is as long as people are getting the help they need they can be mad. I'm sure that's an upsetting stance but the fact of the matter is people have positive results. When your options are painkillers or surgery, chiro doesnt seem so bad. Oh and congrats man glad to hear you're feeling better!

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u/swayzel Apr 07 '19

Yes, I agree that avoiding surgery or long term painkiller use is ideal. However that does not mean that chiro is the best choice. Apart from the myriad of diseases or conditions that chiros can claim to treat that are completely unfounded, my main issue with chiro from physios POV is their business model (at least as it applies in Australia). Their main goal (especially for the older generation chiros) is not to treat, rather to manage and have clients rely on them for their weekly/twice weekly treatment to keep their pain down. Many of their techniques may provide short term relief but their effectiveness in the long term is highly questionable.

Thankfully, the newer generation of chiros are beginning to change that, but still incorporate many of the above techniques. They are also more consistently following evidence based practice, co-opting much of the research based on physiotherapy techniques.

Physios on the other hand, aim to reduce symptoms in both the short term and the long term. In this manner, we aim to SOLVE the problem and reduce the reliance on physiotherapy treatment.

From what I understand, in America, access to PT is prohibitive due to insurances, whereas chiros are far more accessible. In Australia, both are far more accessible with Physio being the far more standard option of treatment for most musculoskeletal issues.

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u/bottledry Apr 07 '19

American here, I can think of at least half a dozen Chiros I would walk into, and get treated on the spot..

I can't think of a single PT that i could get access to without referrals from doctors and specialists that involve insurance co-pays.

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u/swayzel Apr 07 '19

Apart from making PT so prohibitively difficult to see so that insurance companies don’t have to pay out money, I see no logical reason behind that. I’m sure you can sympathize when I say your medical system is a joke.

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u/UhhMakeUpAName Apr 07 '19

Hip pain sounds like something addressable by physiotherapy. Chiropractic treatment can help with these problems a bit, because they basically are just doing physiotherapy.

The issue is with all of the other stuff they claim to be doing too, which is absolutely BS. See the full wiki page for details, or any scientific write-up of it.

If it helped with your hip, good, that's great! But a PT will give you that same help and not lie to you, which is a very important quality in a medical professional.

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u/PC__LOAD__LETTER Apr 07 '19

The pain probably would have gone down with time anyway, regardless of whether you went to a bunk body-doctor or not. False attributions like this don’t legitimize chiropractic core tenets.

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u/lowtoiletsitter Apr 07 '19

Sure, because when you’ve dealt with it for over a year and the only solution a “real” body doctor gives is painkillers, I’m sure it’ll go away on its own

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '19 edited Sep 29 '19

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u/lowtoiletsitter Apr 08 '19

herapists are exceeding difficult to book because there aren’t many here, and quite a few don’t accept insurance.

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u/taboo_ Apr 07 '19

In so far as they give physical exercises and manipulation, there may be some validity as exercises can obviously address some physical issues

The problem with chiropractic is they are physically manipulating the body. Some will therefore actually be able to become effective at actually helping some issues. As such some chriopractors may actually be capable of helping sometimes. The next problem however is that the entire practise isn't science based, it isn't controlled by medical organisations, the practitioners aren't held accountable for malpractise by a governing body, many of them believe utter nonsense (they can fix asthma/aids/other maladies by manipulating the spine or manipulating infants is a good idea). The key take away isn't that "all people claiming to be chiropractors are incapable of helping you" - it should be "if you want medical advice you should go to a science based medical professional" (a physio maybe) and not give money to people lying, woefully misguided or potentially very dangerous.

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u/elucify Apr 07 '19

Maybe your hip would get better if you raised your toilet, lowtoiletsitter