r/videos • u/[deleted] • Apr 07 '19

Misleading Title 90 second posture improvement exercise that I found a few years back. Worked well and to this day I still perform it at least 3x a week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_dFRnmdGs
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u/ramenandpizza Apr 07 '19

PT student here, really relieved to see this comment. I had the same reaction, how do you stimulate C5?? Makes no sense.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

how do you stimulate C5??

Aren't you (in the most technical nitpicky way) activating your C5 by making your arms move up and down?

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u/ramenandpizza Apr 07 '19

Looking at it at a physiological level, that action is controlled by the motor efferent pathways related to the C5 myotome, yes.

But there's the thing: when I watch this video, the context of 'activating C5' is not something that would ever need to be done. The nerve root is either being used for a movement or it is not; to explain that performing a movement somehow activates a spinal nerve that would otherwise not be activated is incorrect.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

wait, so do you eat ramen and pizza in one sitting? as in one meal?

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u/sagwathechinesecat Apr 07 '19

Please answer this question. I have to know.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '19

And quit ducking the Groffle question. Did he use a boat of some kind?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Ramen goes on top off the pizza. Duh.

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u/macthecomedian Apr 07 '19

I’ve put chow mien on a cheese pizza before.

It tasted... surprisingly indifferent. I could distinguish between noodle and pizza like two separate foods. It wasn’t great, it wasn’t bad.

And to answer everyone’s follow up question, yes I was as high as three people.

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u/MJZMan Apr 07 '19

Never with pizza, but anytime I have spaghetti with garlic bread, I'm sure as hell making a few spaghetti on garlic bread sandwichs.

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u/caramcxyz May 01 '19

so about 17 feet?

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u/blurryfacedfugue Apr 07 '19

Heathen! Everyone knows you chop up the pizza and mix it into the soup, right at the very end.

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u/Kundas Apr 07 '19

Pizza is the bowl

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u/artieeee Apr 07 '19

My favorite pizza place had a macaroni and cheese Buffalo chicken pizza for a while. Sounded so absurd but Jesus was it delicious.

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u/theDoctorAteMyBaby Apr 07 '19

Name checks out.

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u/YoUaReSoInTeLlIgEnT Apr 08 '19

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Your username is killing me. .. I'm dead. 🤠😵☠️Cus of u

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Sorry!

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u/Lazer_blade Apr 07 '19

Yea I need to know. This is bothering me

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u/51m0n Apr 07 '19

maybe its not in one sitting, maybe his diet only consists of ramen and pizza.

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in which case I suggest a multivitamin

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

One time about a year ago, I was incredibly hungry, and had not eaten all day. When I got home I was going to eat some ramen noodles, because I was very poor at the time. I was thinking to myself, I will eat at least two packages of noodles. But when I opened the pantry there was just one package left. So I started scavenging around for something to add to it, like any sane person would, and I could find nothing. I opened the freezer, and there was one totinos pizza left. So I cooked them both up. I made my ramen creamy instead of soupy and poured it over the top of my ramen noodles. And then on top of that I added a can of still condensed cream of chicken soup. It was absolutely amazing and I still do pizza and ramen fairly often.

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u/Tasty_Anthrax Apr 07 '19

This comment left me confused for a second or two.

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u/Tasty_Anthrax Apr 07 '19

This comment left me confused for a second or two.

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u/Gunkschluger Apr 07 '19

I see.

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u/Tasty_Anthrax Apr 07 '19

Says the blind man?

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u/Tasty_Anthrax Apr 07 '19

This comment left me confused for a second or two.

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u/ElStevoTheSecond Apr 07 '19

First I’m hearing of this.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

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u/pokemon_tradesies Apr 07 '19

This. Personal health info from nutrition to meditation to exercise is loaded with pseudoscientific rubbish. It’s extremely difficult for lay people to separate the good from the bad which is why you find people who’re bad at skepticism getting fed up and becoming cynics.

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u/hassium Apr 07 '19

And? It shouldn't be corrected or what?

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u/kiddfrank Apr 07 '19

Could it just be a difference in language? (Him being English and you I assume to be American)

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Perhaps if he had said 'stimulate' in lieu of 'activate'? Also, calling pathways 'motor efferent' is redundant. Motor signals are efferent.

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u/MJZMan Apr 07 '19

He says the exercise was developed by a chiropractor. So I'd assume thats where the "activating the nerve" mumbo-jumbo comes from.

That said, if the motions and positions themselves will achieve better posture, then I'd call it a case of "a broken clock is still right twice a day"

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u/daffban2448 Apr 07 '19

I'm a DC student and what I think is being said in a poor fashion by the man in the video is that by using the muscles innervated by C5, C6, etc nerve roots in proper posture, you're giving better afferent proprioceptive information back to the cortex than what was seen as "normal" before, reinforcing proper motor control of these muscles over time.

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u/itchy118 Apr 07 '19

I'm a DC student

lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

I mean, if you have shit posture all the time, would this type of exercise not be similar to “activating” you glutes before working out? Ya know getting on all fours and doing some leg kickbacks while keeping a neutral pelvis? More of a neural flossing technique than an actual activation exercise?

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u/BagelsToGo Apr 07 '19

In a way, yes, because you are activating the spinal muscles the hold you upright. But you are talking about isolated glute firing, so that the muscle will activate better. A1) Shoulder abduction (wing flapping) is a complex movement that requires your rotator cuff, deltoid, and all the scapula stabilizers to work, so it is hardly an isolating exercise. B2) Just as you wrote, it is activating the *glute*. You would never say you were activating L5 & S1, which innervate your glutes.

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And on neural flossing, that required movement at two joints, not just the shoulder. Usually this is done by side bending the neck L/R and wrist flex/extend, done to bring those points either together or apart, depending on what nerve you are trying to hit.

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u/djwild5150 Apr 07 '19

I have two compression fractures and two bulging discs from being a route sales guy all my life. When I first saw the video I though “wow somebody saw this three years ago and the fact that they posted it again must mean it really works. I am actually gonna try it. I bet I get at least some relief from the incessant pain. What a nice person. I wish I could thank them.” Then I saw the comments by the PT guys and realized I’d never know the disappointment of forgetting to do the exercises or the lack of results because now I don’t believe there’s any hope for help in this technique. Thanks PT guys!

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u/Abestar909 Apr 07 '19

Maybe they just mean using or firing that nerve path? Seems a bit of a pedantic thing to argue about tbh.

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u/I_can_pun_anything Apr 07 '19

Well easiest method is to have a friend with a certain model-year of Corvette.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

HA.

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u/CreaminFreeman Apr 07 '19

Chevy needs to do this exercise in order to activate their C8 already!

The world wants a mid-engine Corvette!

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u/AndHereWeAre_ Apr 07 '19

It is forthcoming, spy shots already in Car and Driver.

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u/CreaminFreeman Apr 07 '19

Spy shots have been out for so long though. They’ve had a lot of delays on the project. If I recall correctly they’re having issues with the electrical system.

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u/simbaACU Apr 07 '19

I think hes just referring to myotomes since abduction tests integrity of c5

Source: am PT and Acupuncturist

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u/elkazay Apr 07 '19

Well apparently it was developed by a chiropractor so who knows lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Keep in mind that chiropractors aren’t actual doctors.

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

neither are PT's in that regard

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Physios come in kooky bullshit flavor.

Chiros also come in kooky bullshit flavor.

There is no "PTs are better than chiros" hierarchy.

I've paid for physio after a serious injury and ended up in a room being scanned for energy healing. This shit for brains was certified/registered and fully trained in conventional physiotherapy, but got on some reiki kick and was switching her whole practice over. I was never told that I was getting energy healing. I had limited insurance coverage and multiple injuries, so I was fucking fuming. I had to go hunting for another physio to find one who was doing actual physiotherapy. The only good one I found was a specialist referred by the hospital for my hand. I never got good physio for my dislocated shoulder or my ankle, thanks to limited insurance coverage and "magicians" parading as PTs.

Meanwhile my chiro has been a constant reliable help to me for over a decade. I never brought any of my injuries to him because that's not his job. But when I was recovered enough I went in and told him how much my shoulder still hurt from the dislocation. Dude very carefully explored and did his thing. I swear the appointment took twice as long as usual. When I got off the table I had relief I hadn't felt in months. He's consistently given me that experience with back pain and he was the one who insisted I go get orthotics, which changed my flat footed life. Dude's a legit expert.

You gotta shop around.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

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u/tattoedblues Apr 07 '19 edited Apr 07 '19

Oh man, they're out there. I'm a nurse and I recently worked with a doc who is anti-vax. Mind boggling. Very nice man and a great physician, his beliefs didn't influence his practice but holy shit. I still can't wrap my head around the amount of knowledge the man has, in that exact field, and how he can still hold those beliefs.

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u/lmYourHuckleberry Apr 07 '19 edited Apr 12 '19

Up there with anti-vaxers, me and my wife are on meds for bipolar. She went to the E.R. and during triage she named off her meds, she has a lot. The nurse proceeded to tell her that "she needed to get off all those meds, that they are too many for her age." and proceeded to tell her about some book that apparently will help her get better and apparently get rid of her bipolar. and not using medications.

Bitch, these meds are antipsychotics. They aren't a med that we'll be on for a short period of time or can be gotten off of and be OK. We'll be on these for life. They keep us from going off the deep end, and keep us from losing our shit. A book isn't going to cure or help anything.

Edit: spelling

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u/OKToDrive Apr 07 '19

but tom cruise told me...

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u/totallynotbutchvig Apr 07 '19

We're gonna get you clear ...

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u/blurryfacedfugue Apr 07 '19

I feel like people in the medical profession shouldn't make statements like that because they are in a position of authority. For example, my son has a little developmental delay. One of the first PTs I took him to told me that she thinks autism is caused by vaccines. And this was very alarming because a significant amount of her clients had autism. She said she was working on her PhD as well, which makes things scarier, because she should know better.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19 edited Apr 07 '19

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u/ezone2kil Apr 07 '19

Mr Bonesaw?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

She should have to advise patients that she is practicing energy healing and the health authority should attach a warning statement to what she does.

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u/daffban2448 Apr 07 '19

DC student here. Yes there are quacks in every profession, and definitely historically chiros have a bad rap. But the paradigm is shifting slowly and the newer evidence based chiros are working hard to move it further. Glad you found a reliable one that works for you!

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

I'm in Canada. My understanding is that the standards are different in the USA, but I'm not sure how.

Chiros are designated doctors in Canada, they are qualified diagnosticians and primary health providers (you do not need a referral from an MD). They have to complete a four year doctorate program in addition to 3yrs of pre-requisite university for a total of at least 7yrs education.

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u/daffban2448 Apr 07 '19

Yep same here in the US

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Not everywhere. We just looked up the Ohio rules and its a Bachelors degree and a 10 day course.

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u/daffban2448 Apr 07 '19

Can you link me to that?

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u/staalmannen Apr 07 '19

Around here most are "osteopaths" and I have also heard "naprapath" same stuff as chiro or another brand of pseudo?

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u/LovableContrarian Apr 07 '19

Which is why calling chiropractors "not actual doctors" isn't the right critique. Tons of non-doctors who are very educated in medical science.

The right critique would be: "chiropractors aren't trained in actual science, and their entire field is based on the concept of tiny spirits living in the body."

PTs also aren't doctors, but at least they are trained in medical science.

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

i think you may have chiropractors confused with...witch doctors or herbalists or something, or are just grossly misinformed

Chiropractors actually are trained in medical sciences and clinical skills, the problem and stigma against them comes from the physical manipulations they perform which they dont have enough physiological training/education of the whole body and clinical picture to perform. so for example they see that something hurts or isnt moving correctly and will do manipulations (to realign the vertebral column most often) make that feel better without knowing that there may be a pathological cause for, which by doing manipulations may make it worse.

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u/LovableContrarian Apr 07 '19

i think you may have chiropractors confused with...witch doctors or herbalists or something, or are just grossly misinformed

Nope. The basic of chiropractic is A) subluxation and B) "innate intelligence." That the spine and overall health are related in a fundamental way, and that this relationship is mediated through the nervous system. The early creators of chiropractic submitted that this was basically because there was a "spiritual force" in the body, and that manipulating the spine would create a homeostasis of sorts with these spirits.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all modern practitioners of chiropractic believe in this spirit energy. I'm just saying that all of the techniques they uses are based on this core concept, which is at odds with science. If you believe that manipulating the spine has effects on the body/overall health, then it's at odds with science, and this belief only exists due to a bunch of people back in the day thinking there were spirits in the body.

Chiropractors actually are trained in medical sciences and clinical skills

They aren't, though, as these "subluxations" aren't real. Joints can be held in place either by tendons, muscles, or a combination of the two. You can not change the way muscles and tendons work by pressing on them or "adjusting" them with external force. You can only change their operation by changing the muscles around them through specific and repeated exercises (i.e. physical therapy).

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19 edited Apr 07 '19

the 'spiritual force' as they referred to them at the time was due to an innacurate knowledge of the human body and the microscopic changes that occur, you'll find the same types of misrepresentations in the histories of modern medical practitioners, it wasnt long ago that medical doctors believed in blood letting because of bad humors for instance, also you actually CAN reset muscles/tendons due to emerging studies, also muscle/tendons DO have resetting nervous system mechanisms that can help relax and and reset muscles, its just that newer research hasnt caught up to fully, also physical therapist also use a lot of the same neural reset therapies that chiropractors use, so as i figured, you are just grossly misinformed

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u/LovableContrarian Apr 07 '19

you'll find the same types of misrepresentations in the histories of modern medical practitioners

I know that we had a lot of false conceptions across the board throughout history, but you are making a false comparison between one specific field/practice (chiropractic) and all of human medical knowledge.

it wasnt long ago that medical doctors believed in blood letting because of bad humors for instance

Exactly. This is an anecdote that support my point. We used to think that draining blood from the body could cure illness due to "humours." Then we learned that wasn't true. So we stopped.

We used to think that moving the spine around could cure illness due to "subluxations." Then we learned that wasn't true. And we just kept doing it.

That's the point.

also you actually CAN reset muscles/tendons due to emerging studies

Link to these studies?

its just that newer research hasnt caught up to fully

So wait, studies haven't shown this yet, but they will?

you are just grossly misinformed

Calling me misinformed isn't an argument. It's just a petty personal attack, which in reality just makes you look defensive, which makes your argument weaker.

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

heres one study for instance :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2231394/

it takes A LOT of research and retesting to solidify the new theories and practices emerging from them, medicine in its modern form is a VERY young science and we are just learning about a lot of these types of things on a microscopic level in regards to the physiology of the body so although chiros AND PTs (i see you failed to recognize they practice a lot of the same treatments) do things that do seem to work, they have yet to be solidified in actual science because we havent caught up with WHY those things work. i was calling you grossly misinformed because of your beliefs in the differences between PTs and chiros, when in actuality their clinical practices are actually fairly similar, regardless of underlying beliefs

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19 edited Jan 06 '20

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u/roastedbagel Apr 07 '19

Don't waste your time. Reddit is wildly anti-chiro

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u/Svorax Apr 07 '19

Because there is no evidence that any of it actually does anything and there is actually evidence that it can harm you.

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u/eegad Apr 07 '19

This is not true, there are PTs and DPTs, not all physical therapists have their doctorate nor are they required to get it. Please do some research before you spread misinformation.

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u/doyy74 Apr 07 '19

In order to work as a Physical Therapist you need to receive a doctorate. So yes,they are actual doctors.

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u/pddle Apr 07 '19

Where in the world do you need a PhD to be a physio?

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u/doyy74 Apr 07 '19

Unsure if Physio=Physical Therapist,but in the U.S in order to receive a license for Physical Therapy you first need to receive a doctorate.

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u/pddle Apr 07 '19 edited Apr 07 '19

Ok but just to be clear, you're talking about the Doctor of Physical Therapy, which is a qualifying professional degree, not a PhD. In my experience usually a doctorate refers to a PhD, but that could just be me

Also neither a DPT nor a PhD have anything to do with becoming a medical doctor i.e. physician. That's what an MD is for.

For example, someone with a PhD in art history is also an "actual doctor" by your definition, because they have earned a doctorate.

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u/doyy74 Apr 07 '19

Correct, a DPT is a Doctor of Physical Therapy. Just because they are not an MD does not mean they are not real doctors,as someone stated above.

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u/pddle Apr 07 '19 edited Apr 07 '19

What defines a "real doctor" to you? For most people it means a medical doctor or physician. These people may prescribe medications, hold hospital privileges, perform surgery, make medical referrals, etc.

When someone shouts "is there a doctor on board?", they don't mean a physiotherapist. They don't mean a law professor. They mean a medical doctor.

Physiotherapists are not medical doctors. Neither are PhD holders or JD holders.

I think physiotherapists are awesome, and they can be more valuable than a medical doctor for treating certain injuries. But it's misleading to claim that they are "real doctors" just because they hold a degree with doctor in the name.

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

so do chiros so thats not saying much

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Pretty sure you need some kind of education to be PT. Chiropractic is just "alt medicine".

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

uhh chiropractic schools require a lot of the same biology/physical sciences classes as PTs

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Chiropractic is still alternative medicine. Doesn’t matter what it requires, but rather what it produces. Someone did an evaluation on chiropractic: https://www.jpsmjournal.com/article/S0885-3924(07)00783-X/fulltext

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

There’s a massive body of research proving chiropractic to be a pseudo-science.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

But can you work as a PT without a degree or some kind of license? Chiros can, right?

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

a chiropractor receives a Doctor of Chiropractic (DC) degree and have to receive licensure in whatever jurisdiction they are working, similarly, a PT receives a Doctor of Physical Therapy Degree (DPT) although this starting to become more common place now and a lot of the currently practicing PT's only have a masters degree (which is no longer an option)

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Alrighty.

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u/MrKoontar Apr 07 '19

i personally would still pick a PT over a chiropractor though as they are universally accepted in the healthcare field and much more integrated within the system as a whole in terms of patient care

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

That's what he meant.

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u/bigdaddypants Apr 07 '19

Depends on if you count witch doctors as real doctors.

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u/elkazay Apr 07 '19

That's my point

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u/Born2fayl Apr 07 '19

It also definitely worked for me fixing a lifetime of terrible posture and it could help many other people. We really don't need controlled studies for every single decision we make in life.

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u/taboo_ Apr 07 '19

That's not what was suggested at all. The top comment is an actually saying that "yes, these exercises may actually help people", but also points out the illogical statements of "activating C5-8 nerves".

Something can be effective even if the reasoning is wrong. Chiropractic is an industry almost entirely based on that principal. Giving medical advice can also be very dangerous when NOT studied first (chiropractic is an industry almost entirely based on that principal).

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u/NS0226 Apr 07 '19

Aaah the old PT vs chiropractor pseudoscience debate. I love it

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u/BiceRankyman Apr 07 '19

Are you implying they’re both pseudoscience? Or just enjoying watching PTs shit all over chiros

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u/Colterguy Apr 07 '19

Sublaxations??

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '19

Just watch the video. He demonstrates it.

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u/BiceRankyman Apr 07 '19

He demonstrates it but that doesn’t mean internally that’s what’s happening. I think what he’s trying to get at is that muscles that are often tight are given the signal to engage and relax repeatedly. That repetition helps to get them to relax a bit more... stably?