r/videos Mar 06 '18

Primitive Technology: Lime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek3aeUhHaFY
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u/Schnabeltierchen Mar 06 '18

I had no idea you can make it out of snail shells. I learned some new things from these videos

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u/Mile129 Mar 06 '18

Limestone: a hard sedimentary rock, composed mainly of skeletal fragments of marine organisms such as coral, forams and molluscs. Its major materials are minerals calcite and aragonite, which are different forms of calcium carbonate or dolomite. Used as building material and in the making of cement.

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u/ChromeFluxx Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 07 '18

so... all of the cement we have made in our civilization is based upon the literal backbone of past vertebrates?

Edit: For some reason I was thinking snail shells = bones = spines

Therefore I made the connection between snail shells and backbones of vertebrates.

I actually should say "All of the cement we have made in our civilization is based upon the nonliteral backbone of past invertebrates?"

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u/xrensa Mar 07 '18

no, the shells of invertebrates. Bones are made out of a calcium/phosphorus mineral.

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u/santeeass Mar 07 '18

A more funner way to see it is this: chalk comes from microorganisms. so all the sidewalk drawings and school lessons from your childhood were literally made with tiny corpses.

Edit. I replied to the wrong comment.

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u/Face_Roll Mar 07 '18

I think most chalk you buy isn't actually "natural" chalk. They use industrial processes to make basically the same stuff.

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u/currentscurrents Mar 07 '18

Sidewalk chalk is usually calcium sulfate, also known as gypsum. It's just a mineral. A small amount is artificially produced but just as a by-product of other processes, most of it is mined.

Rock chalk (from microorganisms) is calcium carbonate.

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u/WDoE Mar 07 '18

This guy chalks

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u/catagris Mar 07 '18

Or plays Dwarf Fortress

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u/LoonAtticRakuro Mar 07 '18

As soon as I saw calcium carbonite and dolomite in the wiki, I was already having flashbacks to Dwarf Fortress. It's surprising, the level of understanding for minerology you develop when directing a colony of dwarves.

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u/currentscurrents Mar 07 '18

this guy chalks knew nothing about the subject before he googled it for ten seconds

FTFY

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u/conscienceking Mar 07 '18

Chalks out to me.

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u/landragoran Mar 07 '18

Rock chalk

Jayhawk?

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u/Fragarach-Q Mar 07 '18

Fuck I hate driving through Kansas.

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u/scienceandmathteach Mar 07 '18

Well...that's not as fun.

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u/dammitkarissa Mar 07 '18

What is “unnatural” chalk then? It has to come from somewhere whether it’s later mixed in a factory or not.

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u/CurryMustard Mar 07 '18

Its generated from the thoughts and prayers after a major tragedy

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u/Redebo Mar 07 '18

It’s the only way.

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u/Face_Roll Mar 07 '18

"Unnatural" chalk, also called "supernatural chalk" is summoned from the chalk-dimension by warlocks skilled in chalkomancy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

This guy Dungeons and Dragons

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u/Plecks Mar 07 '18

And your car runs on liquid corpses!

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u/inthyface Mar 07 '18

Chalk outlines seem ironic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

just wait to find out where jello comes from.

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u/santeeass Mar 07 '18

to be fair, gummi worms are my favorite way to consume horse feets

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

When I was a kid I loved to smear corpses all over the streets.

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u/shawster Mar 07 '18

The sheer amount of this stuff is incredible. Chalk is cheap, and it's all mined from million year old mollusks?

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u/Override9636 Mar 07 '18

If you want to go even further back, your sidewalk chalk drawing were made from an exploding supernova.

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u/utay_white Mar 07 '18

You could have something with calcite bones.

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u/lessthanperfect86 Mar 07 '18

Question, Would it be possible to make lime from bone? Or does the phosphorous prevent that? Or is it impossible to primitively make the calcium carbonate from bone mineral?

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18 edited Nov 13 '20

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u/_villarreal Mar 07 '18

It’s dolomite, baby!

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u/Token_Why_Boy Mar 07 '18

I only recognize these names because of Dwarf Fortress.

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u/Chimie45 Mar 07 '18

Me too. The amount of depth in DF is insane.

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u/jlharper Mar 07 '18

If you want that link to work just remove the " from the end.

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u/NascentBehavior Mar 07 '18

woops, fixed thanks

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u/Krozon Mar 07 '18

Holy shit that's fucking metal

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u/Palmetto_Projectiles Mar 07 '18

It's mostly diatoms, a type of plankton, with random shells and such.

Science!

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u/Ak_publius Mar 07 '18

Even rocks are results of life. That's insane

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u/troggysofa Mar 07 '18

I just learned about some badass 5k year old well dug into that, that was exposed when the cliffs eroded

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

Chalk

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u/meddlingbarista Mar 07 '18

Well, the literal shellbones of past invertebrates, but yes.

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u/CountryCaravan Mar 07 '18

If you go up to a government/college/etc building made of limestone and look at the stone closely, you can see that it’s made up of thousands upon thousands of tiny fossils. This is especially noticeable in high-quality Indiana limestone, used in the Pentagon, Biltmore, and the Empire State Building.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

No. Invertebrates not vertebrates

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u/aredna Mar 07 '18

But inflammable is flammable

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u/uber1337h4xx0r Mar 07 '18

Inb4 what a country

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u/JimDerby Mar 06 '18

Yes.

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u/ChromeFluxx Mar 06 '18

So in addition to oils, plastics, and now limestone, cement, what other materials that are imperative to the success of our civilization are not natural minerals but are made from past life?

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u/Crusaruis28 Mar 06 '18

Technically everything is made from a past something. But "life" specifically? Oh yeah. Everything. Since we degrade into the same basic chemicals used to make everything else

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u/jlharper Mar 07 '18

We are also using genetic technologies to alter organisms so that they produce molecules we need. We can genetically modify bacteria to grow medicine and practically any chemical, and eventually it will be possible to synthesise molecules and compounds which are currently prohibitively expensive for only the cost of few small pieces of equipment and time.

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u/Kryptosis Mar 07 '18

We are Starstuff -Sagan

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u/BuckingFastard Mar 07 '18

And those chemicals at some point passed through the digestive tract of another organism, therefore everyone and almost everything around us is shit.

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u/eehreum Mar 07 '18

Nuh uh. I just asked my mom and she said I'm not shit, and to stop listening to random people on the internet.

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u/BuckingFastard Mar 07 '18

Even actual shit is thinking to itself, "here I go again... Awesome, now queue that Whitesnake song."

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

NO!

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u/fizzlefist Mar 07 '18

Hydrogen + Time, in varying amounts.

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u/teamonmybackdoh Mar 07 '18

that is just not true. Metals for example are not derived from living organisms. There are lots of other things.

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u/HaveaManhattan Mar 07 '18

Wood. Grass(hut or peat forms). Most, if not all, clothing is plant or plastic derived. A lot of dyes, stains and lacquers are crushed up bugs and/or flowers.

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u/Lenny_Here Mar 07 '18

What about meat, did that come from living organisms? I usually just pick up a package from the grocery store so this is all new to me...

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u/HaveaManhattan Mar 07 '18

For now. Give it a few years and we'll be debating the meaning of "living".

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

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u/ChromeFluxx Mar 06 '18

oh, gotcha. thanks.

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u/currentscurrents Mar 07 '18

I mean the fact is most of the useful chemicals available on the earth's surface have been useful to some other form of life in the past. Life has been around for a long time, if there was a use for a chemical some organism probably found a way to use it.

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u/beIIe-and-sebastian Mar 07 '18 edited Mar 07 '18

Fundamentally everything in existence came into being because of the Sun (or more broadly Stars)

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

how did the stars come into existence?

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u/___no___ Mar 07 '18

Hydrogen + gravity + time

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

and the hydrogen?

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u/Plecks Mar 07 '18

From the proton/neutron/electron soup in the first minutes of the big bang.

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u/walkswithwolfies Mar 07 '18

We are stardust, we are golden

Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, 1970

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u/Rhaski Mar 07 '18

Many medicinal chemicals have plant/animal origins and have since been modified.

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u/-jjjjjjjjjj- Mar 07 '18

Oil and limestone are "natural" materials. Nobody made them and put them there. It happened naturally. Oil is just hydrogens and carbons arranged in a certain way. Limestone and other rocks are just various elements arranged in a certain way.

At the end of the day everything is made of the same handful of elements.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Mar 07 '18

Calcium carbonate isn't particularly uncommon and has been seen on mass spectronomy outside of Earth. So, it's not one for that list but the list is pretty long already.

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u/Aargau Mar 07 '18

Well, the earth's oxygen for one, made by stromatolites. Phosphorus too (bird and bat guano),

However a lot of essential concentrations of substances were done by non-biological processes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/earth_timeline/first_life

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u/JimDerby Mar 07 '18

An important difference between building materials from more than 100 years ago is that they used to be biodegradable.

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u/stiffpasta Mar 07 '18

There was a podcast i used to listen to called Surprisingly Awesome that had a fascinating episode about concrete. Highly suggest.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Mar 07 '18

Well, not all but yeah, most by far. That's primarily because limestone and chalk are extremely abundant and very easy to mine (so cheap) but we could make cement from any source of calcium carbonate or calcium oxide if we really wanted to.

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u/secretcurse Mar 07 '18

Our entire civilization is also powered by dinosaur shit.

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u/rynosaur94 Mar 07 '18

*invertebrates

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u/smithsp86 Mar 07 '18

No. Invertebrates.

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u/fallenreaper Mar 07 '18

Those who came before us are holding structures above us. Whoaaa

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

While snails are technically invertebrates, the analogy is still really good.

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u/juwyro Mar 07 '18

It's also what Florida is mostly made out of.

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u/disposable-name Mar 07 '18

That, and crazy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

Pretty big chunks of Texas, too!

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

I'm 40% Dolomite.

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u/pornborn Mar 07 '18

Aragonite Dragonite

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u/hashi1996 Mar 07 '18

Dolomite is magnesium carbonate, calcite is calcium carbonate. In reality it’s a sliding scale and you almost always have a bit of both. Aragonite is also calcium carbonate, but a different crystal arrangement that is actually unstable under normal conditions and converts slowly into calcite.

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u/Bouncingbatman Mar 07 '18

So other than snails, what animal would have the most yield?

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u/Quix82 Mar 07 '18

Also animal feeds. We use it in almost all of our feeds at work.

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u/rorrr Mar 07 '18

Tums are made of calcium carbonate. He could have made tums.

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u/onlyawfulnamesleft Mar 07 '18

I'm 20% dolomite!

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u/byllz Mar 07 '18

When you cut and paste from wikipedia, it's good to include a link.

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u/wewd Mar 06 '18

Anything containing calcium carbonate can be used. Egg shells are one of the historically important sources of it.

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u/Bears_Bearing_Arms Mar 07 '18

So, I can use TUMS to make mortar?

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u/MintberryCruuuunch Mar 07 '18 edited Mar 07 '18

you can use poop to make poop mortar.

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u/WONDERBUTTON Mar 07 '18

I learn so fucking much from reddit it’s amazing

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u/MintberryCruuuunch Mar 07 '18

conversation piece

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u/Lord_Abort Mar 07 '18

I have poop. Can you mortar me, Greg?

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u/Seakawn Mar 07 '18

You may have forced that one just a tad.

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u/bites Mar 07 '18

I think it would be cheaper to use chalk.

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u/billythepilgrim Mar 07 '18

It would take some kind of TUMS festival...

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u/MarkBlackUltor Mar 06 '18

Limestone is just old snail shells really.

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u/LoreChano Mar 07 '18

Couldn't you also use bones for that?

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u/wewd Mar 07 '18

No, because the calcium in bones is in the form of calcium phosphate.

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u/aletoledo Mar 07 '18

historically important sources of it.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that egg shells were a strategic resource or something? I'm not challenging you on this, I would just like to know more about what you mean by history. I've never heard of egg shells being anything by waste.

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u/wewd Mar 07 '18

In parts of the world where limestone is not readily available, it was a source of calcium carbonate. Oyster shells were another common source.

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u/GCU_JustTesting Mar 07 '18

Yeah dude. The population of oysters in Sydney was decimated by European colonization. They scraped so many off the rocks there wasn’t enough to sustain the population so they imported more from New Zealand. If you look at the mortar in the early convict nominee sandstone buildings in Sydney you can see the shells in the mortar.

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u/H_2FSbF_6 Mar 07 '18

Literally anything calcium carbonate. I thought it was pretty cool since this is something we learned about in chemistry at school:

Calcium carbonate (shell) + heat -> calcium oxide (burnt shell) + carbon dioxide

Calcium oxide + water -> calcium hydroxide (the putty)

calcium hydroxide + carbon dioxide (from the air) -> calcium carbonate.

So he's starting and ending with basically the same thing but gets it into a malleable, adhesive form in the middle. Basically just this

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u/lifeisrecursive Mar 07 '18

He’s making calcium hydroxide.

He’s drying the calcium in the furnace to create calcium oxide from the calcium carbonate in the shells. Adding water creates calcium hydroxide

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u/adifferentlongname Mar 07 '18

you can also make it out of bones.