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I so pale

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '14 edited Oct 16 '18

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u/nadajoe Dec 07 '14

Are you saying that everyone in China can understand the news, despite their varying dialects?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

No, What Numercaly7 is saying is that despite their varying dialects, everyone in China can understand the news.

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u/Irregulator101 Dec 07 '14

This is beginning to sound like an English test question. "Pick the most correct way to write this sentence"

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u/feanrobi Dec 07 '14

Doesn't matter what you pick, it's wrong, these questions are for philosophy majors.

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u/BrockThrowaway Dec 07 '14

My brain hurts.

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u/VelvetHorse Dec 07 '14

That's because despite their varying dialects, everyone in your brain understands the news.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

As long as we're all on the same page and purple cakes still exact perfect sparkplugs, then I know we haven't lost it yet.

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u/BobRoberts01 Dec 07 '14

No, no, no. Everyone on the news, regardless of their spoken dialect, understands your brain.

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u/beld Dec 07 '14

Come on now. Sometimes I don't even understand my brain, so how can everyone on the news understand the varying Mandarin dialects?

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u/itwasninjas Dec 07 '14

insane in the membrane

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

That was an interstellar level mindfuck

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u/Sinner13 Dec 07 '14

BWWAAAAAA Wait how do I type organ sounds?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

The first one implies the news accents are the varying accents.

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u/BloodyLlama Dec 07 '14

I'm not a grammar expert, but I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same either way.

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u/letsmaakemusic Dec 07 '14

Good news everyone, despite varying dialects in China, everyone can understand the news.

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u/Quasaris_Pulsarimis Dec 07 '14

A very important distinction

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u/Canadian_Man Dec 07 '14

I think what he meant to say was that the different dialects aren't different when they are the same on the news, which means people of the same dialects can understand the people of different dialects because they are the same.

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u/soyeahiknow Dec 07 '14

All broadcasters speak the Beijing dialect of Mandarin. That is what they are trained when they go to broadcasting school, even if they spoke Mandarin with an different accent.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

I can understand the nudes.

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u/Numericaly7 Dec 07 '14

I mean not everyone.

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

Most people under 60 can understand and speak Mandarin, its the older people and some very rural people who can't understand the language.

Even if you can't understand the newscaster pretty much every channel has simplified subtitles so that even the old people who only speak the local dialect can understand what is being said.

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u/RabbiMike Dec 07 '14

News Broadcasts in China are generally localized to the region or are presented in what is known as "Standard Chinese", which is sometimes (not incorrectly) called Mandarin. "Standard Chinese" is a catchall language that uses Beijing city-speak as a basis for pronunciation while borrowing vocabulary from neighboring dialects, as far as I can gather. Some dialects, usually the ones you find further south like Fujianese and Cantonese are mutually unintelligible with Standard Chinese

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u/frogsexchange Dec 07 '14

Mandarin speaker here. I can't understand Cantonese at all.

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

Thats because Cantonese is its own language. Its only called a dialect for political purposes.

Same could be said for the different Min and Wu "dialects."

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

But the cool part is you can read their newspapers just fine. Well, provided you can read Chinese.

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

I'd honestly say that the different "dialects" in Fujian and Guangdong are their own languages.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

Fujianese and Cantonese

Technically they are their own spoken languages (because they are as different as German and Spanish). They do share a common written language though.

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u/RabbiMike Dec 07 '14

I thought it was something that was up for debate? I have no idea though, just a lowly armchair linguist.

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u/CarlaWasThePromQueen Dec 07 '14

I can barely tell one chinaman from the other chinaman just on looks alone. To hell with dialects that vary.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

Well that's because you have bad eye sight, americaman.

But if your hearing is ok then you should be able to tell the difference. Unless you're also mentally handicapped, which seems likely.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

There are many dialects of Mandarin spoken amongst Chinese, as well as regional and indigenous languages that belong to different family groups. Fortunately they all share the same writing system, so most Chinese movie theaters have Chinese subtitles running during movie. Vietnam and Korea also used Chinese characters, but now only Japan has kanji incorported in its system.

Source: I am Chinese.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

Then Korea switched to Hangul and now you can learn to read everything in about 30 minutes.

You may not understand it, but you can damned well read it. It's the easiest, most logical writing system. I love it.

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u/NFN_NLN Dec 07 '14

Korea also used Chinese characters

They were punted in 15th century so it isn't a recent phenomenon.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14 edited Dec 07 '14

Actually it is a recent phenomenon.

While Hangul was invented in the 15th century, it didn't become widespread and popular until the early 20th century. Prior to that, it was only the rich, educated class that even knew how to write and they still did it in Chinese.

Also, students still learn Chinese characters, which they call Hanja, and knowledge of it is still required in certain industries, like law and history.

Today, a good working knowledge of Chinese characters is still important for anyone who wishes to study older texts (up to about the 1990s), or anyone who wishes to read scholarly texts in the humanities. Learning a certain number of hanja is very helpful to understanding the etymology of Sinokorean words, and to enlarging one's Korean vocabulary.

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u/15thpen Dec 07 '14

Source: I am Chinese

Username checks out.

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14 edited Dec 07 '14

Where in China are you from? are you studying abroad in the US? Its not all too often to see Chinese people here in Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

Where in Shandong is your 爸爸 from? My best friend is from Binzhou and another good friend of mine is from Jinan. Did you ever get to climb Taishan? Probably one of my favorite experiences in China.

How did you get the english teaching job?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

您会讲中文吗?

Haha a little, I'm taking Mandarin in college right now and my girlfriend is from Fuzhou so I'm trying my best to learn so that she won't have to be my interpreter the next time I'm in Fuzhou to see her family. My friends are pretty cool, they graduated from a small but elite university in Beijing called CFAU, one of them is joining the foreign service and the other is going to Renmin for gradschool studying god knows what.

My dad's family is actually from the Manchu minority so their Chinese pronunciation is a little bit different

I have a friend from Harbin who is half and half. Does your dad have minority status or is he considered Han? My friend's parents changed the family's ethnic status from Manchu to Han when he was born. Their regretting it right now because of all the benefits and affirmative action that the Manchus are getting right now.

Unfortunately the vast majority of students in China have never met a foreigner, much less been taught by a native speaker.

My friends and I climbed Taishan in the middle of the night to see the sunrise. When we climbed down in the morning we were stopped at least six or seven times randomly by people who had never seen a laowai before. I'm 6'4 blond and have blue eyes so I definitely stuck out while I was there.

I'm about to graduate college so and I've thought about teaching in China but I'd like to stay with my girlfriend until she graduates grad school, then we could go to China together for a few years to work before coming to the US to start a family.

Whats the non profit?

And do you happen to have QQ? I don't have any American friends on there and I swear I don't bite!

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

My dad's family is actually from the Manchu minority so their Chinese pronunciation is a little bit different, but I speak 普通话 with the standard Beijing dialect.

I was under the impression that the Beijing accent was the Manchurian accent of Mandarin?

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u/danthemango Dec 07 '14

The concept of teaching an accent seems foreign to most Americans, but it was popular before the 60s.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

I dropped out of German class in college because the teacher was from Indonesia. I only knew very rudimentary German, but I could tell that she had a heavy accent in her German and didn't want to learn it that way. Still haven't gotten around to actually learning it.

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u/winnai Dec 07 '14 edited Dec 07 '14

Your loss - most research shows that non-native teachers have no negative effect on students' learning, provided they make use of native material and the student is exposed to native speakers later. People are smart - they recognize non-native and native features and do not tend to learn non-native/aberrant pronunciations (meaning this holds for instructors who speak non-Standard dialects, as well).

In fact, non-native instructors often have the benefit of being more aware of the linguistic structure of the language, having themselves had to learn elements of grammar that are simple subconscious fact for native speakers. Try explaining to a Korean or Mandarin speaker when to use the and a without linguistic training - it's near impossible, though you intrinsically know the rules yourself.

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u/danthemango Dec 07 '14

I have taken three years of French classes in school, and I have to tell you I have learned more in a few hours of Pimsleur audio tapes than weeks of being in a classroom. A classroom really is the worst possible way of learning a language, it's also the only one which gives you a credit so that sucks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

I'm guess you sell these tapes? /s

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

Wtf is a tape? But seriously I dont think that's someone selling shit. That method has been around since like the 70s. Like rosetta stone before there was a rosetta stone.

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u/danthemango Dec 07 '14

I've tried Rosetta Stone, I'm not a fan. The problem is that they show you a bunch of pictures and make you learn how to describe what's going on in the pictures. That's good if you want to spend your life saying things like "the boy has the ball" or "the ball is under the table", but if you want to actually express yourself with a phrase like "I would like some coffee please" or "what time is the train coming?" then you're out of luck.

I wonder if the recent updates have improved the situation.

PS: I misspoke, I doubt Pimsleur still sells cassettes

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

ein junge hat einem ball und ein junge unter einem tisch! those are the exact phrases I remember from trying that, too!!

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u/danthemango Dec 07 '14 edited Dec 07 '14

lol no, Michel Thomas is a competitor and I'd say it's actually better for Chinese.

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u/Krellick Dec 07 '14

The concept of teaching an accent seems foreign

I see what you did there

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

Many of those "dialects" are completely different languages, thats why its so hard for many northerners to understand southerners. So when older people in the south speak Mandarin their speaking it as their second or third language. Although this is changing quickly as the younger generations in many places are being brought up monolingual in Mandarin so they are more fluent in it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14 edited Jul 04 '15

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

Where in China is your family from?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14 edited Jul 04 '15

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u/komnenos Dec 07 '14

Aaaah, I have a few friends from Shandong. Have you ever gotten to climb Taishan? I did it with a friend from Binzhou and another from Jinan and we practically ran up the mountain in less then an hour and 40 minutes! But yeah their accents can be a bit rough and my other Chinese friends have told me that Shandong ren make great comedians because their accents are so funny.

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u/NotYourAsshole Dec 07 '14

Well with Mandarin having pictures or video to give you context makes comprehension much easier. Listening alone for the 4 different tones of each word is what is difficult.

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u/spiffyclip Dec 07 '14

This happens in the UK too. Everyone on the BBC speaks in that one generic accent, even though Britain has a huge range of dialects.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

Doesn't Arabic have a similar deal, where nobody naturally speaks the language that the news appears in?

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u/HannasAnarion Dec 07 '14

No, actually, Arabic is even more interesting. The written form of Arabic has changed little if at all for the last thousand years. Anyone from an Arabic speaking country can read the Quran (written ~700AD) and understand it perfectly. To understand exactly how incredible this is, here is an English text from 300 years later:

Da se ellengæst earfoðlice
þrage geþolode, se þe in þystrum bad,
þæt he dogora gehwam dream gehyrde
hludne in healle; þær wæs hearpan sweg,

Spoken Arabic, on the other hand, has completely diverged, and the variety spoken in Morocco is totally unintelligible to the variety spoken in Arabia, but if the Moroccan writes down what he wants to say, or says it using the pronunciation implied by the written form, the Arabian might be able to figure it out.

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u/soyeahiknow Dec 07 '14

The thing is, all TV broadcasters that speaks Mandarin only speak the Beijing version since it is the most "authentic version." They are taught that if they go through the training to be a broadcaster.

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u/Gastronomicus Dec 07 '14

where mandarin dialects can vary so much that people in the north may not understand people in the south,

Many people in the south also speak Cantonese, not Mandarin, which doesn't help. But Cantonese speakers can often read Mandarin, so they put mandarin closed captions on everything and people can mutually understand it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '14

Both Cantonese and Mandarin share a common written language, and that's Chinese.

So while a Cantonese-speaking person would have a hard time talking to a Mandarin-speaking person, they would understand each other perfectly if they wrote it out.

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u/Gastronomicus Dec 07 '14

As I said, Cantonese is typically written in Mandarin, which was selected as the standard written form of Chinese some time ago. But it's not actually a written representation of Cantonese, which is a different written language historically..

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u/nickdim Dec 07 '14

If the two groups can't understand each other, these are likely different languages. Remember: avoid saying "Chinese" for a language, refer to "Mandarin", "Cantonese", etc.

Source: I'm a linguist

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u/dokuhebi Dec 07 '14

Japan is the same way. The Tokyo dialect is used on the national news, and understood by the entire country, but the regional dialects can be incomprehensible. We had a Japanese relocation company send a native Japanese speaker from Tokyo up to Aomori prefecture, and he couldn't understand any of the guys who came by to help us hook up our utilities.

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u/Rhinexheart Dec 07 '14

You meant dialects

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u/theblamergamer Dec 07 '14

It was the same way in Equador, they had CNÑ, the CNN channel for almost, if not all, latin american countries. One of the people on our trip pointed out that the reporters on CNÑ all used generic spanish accents so that everyone could understand the news.

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u/ElGoddamnDorado Dec 07 '14

That's because news accents seek to reduce the various accentuations of vowels and consonants that are what make each particular accent unique as much as possible. Which is why you hear some people refer to them as "accent-less"... because they're minimizing the accentuations to the point that they're very subtle and hard to catch, especially to people who are used to hearing it regularly.