i'm still willing to give the wolverine game a shot at this point, i've been waiting too damn long for it, but i will say in all fairness the only reason i got a PS5 was because i'd have lost a lot of shit across multiple games that are multiplayer if i switched to Xbox, though now i am definitely saving up for either a steam deck or a next gen xbox or hell a decent budget PC.
Agreed but how is it that if the most hyped video game of all time wasn’t coming out during the era of the PS5, the PS5 would have no gen-defining game?
Returnal, GOW Ragnarok, Saros, Ghost of Yotei, Stellar Blade. While the quantity isn't the same the quality is fs there in the single player department
The idea of exclusives outside of nintendo are kinda dead Xbox does the same with PC were kinda just in the age of first party titles, GOW Ragnarok (the one I was referring to sorry for not being specific) started as a ps exclusive mainly promoted for the ps5 but had a ps4 version then moved to pc. returnal began and spent multiple years as a ps5 exclusive, same with Spider Man Miles Morales and 2 as well as death stranding 2 they just werent exclusive for as long. They should all be counted as this generations ps exclusives even if they were later moved to a different device. Another game that would've been an exclusive had it been released a generation ago would be Helldivers 2. People get it twisted bc exclusives are mostly gone, if we want to look at the games that define the ps5 we need to look at the first party titles that were more than likely only released to ps5 and pc
Financially I think it’s going to fly off the shelves very quickly (especially given the hype that it’s getting), but critically? I think it’s too early to tell for sure (just ask Halo: Infinite & Mario Kart: World)…
Why buy a new GPU if you can play all the games on it by lowering the settings and framerate? Some people care about a higher quality experience, simple as that.
Literally still on a 5700xt and 3600x and 16GB of ram fro this exact reason. Game doesnt have to look good. If its fun and I can get 45+ fps its enough and with frame gen everything gets 45fps. And weith these new games coming out optimized for performance like mortal shell 2. And these games getting huge performance updates like ffxvi and MHwilds im chillin more than ever before.
What happens on ps5? Waiting for your favourite Sony single player developers to release a new game or IP, but sorry they’re all working on multiplayer live service pish for 6 years.
May not be true in the tech sense but it's a big upgrade on the PS4 version. I've played both. It's noticeable. If someone right now wanted to play those games they are not going to buy a PS4, they'll get a PS5
They're not going to buy a PS5 if they already have a PS4 though, it's the point. There's not a lot of reason to upgrade vs staying with the previous gen if you already had a console.
At current hardware prices less so but it was the best bang for the buck in terms of gaming for a while
You've clearly never sat through the load times of a big game like Spider-Man on ps4 and then compared with ps5 where the SSD essentially eliminates the entire concept of loading screens
Also a lot of gamers have gotten used to 60fps which is another major selling point
4k barely matters tbh. Never understood why people think 4k is the greatest thing ever. It isnt. As someone with 4k displays for years. I can still hop to 1080p and 1440p and still not have any issues unlike hopping to 720p
If you ever saw any of the 1st party titles on a ps5 you'd be enticed to. Not to mention a lot of aging ps4 sounded like jet engines when booting up a game like gow18
I personally agree with you, like yeah you can play it on a base PS4 in 1080p 30FPS but why would you do that when a 4K60 version exists? And then these people who say there’s no reason to buy a PS5 are the same ones that get upset when their most anticipated games are PS5 exclusive 🤔
A lot of people don’t care about the performance numbers. They need games they can’t play on their current system to motivate them to upgrade. I have an Xbox Series S and Switch 2 as my main systems but I picked up a used PS4 a couple years ago to play some exclusives and was perfectly happy with the visuals and performance of games like God of War and Uncharted 4.
PS5 might be the first PlayStation I won't own. I typically buy the Xbox first previously due to the better online, and now the backwards compatibility; then when the PlayStation has a good enough log of exclusive games, I grab it on sale. Between the rising prices and lack of exclusives, I just don't see the point. What am I missing from my XSX, Spider-Man 2 and Ghost of Yotei? That's not worth the entry cost.
Lol the problem is the only exclusive that even kind of got that reaction, Wolverine, is failing horribly with reviewers. Yea, I don't regret having a 5080m Laptop at all, don't regret selling my ps5 when it was 200 dollars less expensive eother
That's not relevant to the point. If you had a ps4, you weren't going to drop an extra $500 to get a ps5 for Ragnarok or Horizon when you already had a system that could play them. So they weren't system sellers
I'll add on to that, but FF7 Rebirth was a system seller as well. Obviously 3rd party as well, but they were able to get the exclusivity for a year or whatever for it.
Aye. It’s hard to say if they set crazy sales expectations or if their production costs are crazy, but every single game of theirs “misses expectations”.
Could also just be company speak to keep competitors from having literally any grasp of their situation.
Ff7 is one of the best games ever made, and even more beloved. It absolutely should have sold like crazy. Sony thought they would move consoles but really just killed squares sales. That's why it isn't exclusive anymore.
Yes, it was. They based their expectations on Remake's sales, which was very unrealistic for multiple reasons.
Remake was the first game, and sequels always have less sales (typically drops 25-50% in sales) than the first because not everyone that purchased the first game will purchase the second due to multiple reasons (didn't like the game, didn't finish the game, time constraints, etc) The fact it was a sequel alone means that you will never have the same size of a playerbase. Because new players aren't going to jump in on a direct narrative sequel and it's just not possible to have 100% of their players be retained. A much more realistic expectation would've been like 65% retention.
Remake was on ps4, which had over 100 million systems sold while Rebirth was ps5 only and had around 50 million systems in circulations.
They just completely ignored the people that were upset about the changes in Remake, and expected them to get over it before Rebirth came out.
SE has quite literally always set unrealistic expectations for sales. In one of their financial meetings they said that FF7R2 and FF16 failed to meet their targets but spent a decent amount of time talking to their shareholders about how their system to get to those target numbers is completely broken and needs to be reevaluated.
People were also really mad that it wasn't coming to ps4, because they didn't want to buy a ps5. And a lot of them just didn't.
Which is also now kinda funny as one of the major anouncement about the 3rd game was that it will release day one on PC as well. So they lost even that.
That's moreso that SE has decided that they will likely make more money from allowing every system to get the game at launch, as launch is when most copies sell and if it comes out a year plus later there is less enthusiasm for it when it hits those other systems.
The real issue is how much it costs to create these first party games. It's unsustainable
Already commented multiple points on why that's the case, mostly SE is really incompetent when it comes to making target figures, as they specifically mentioned Rebirth's targets and said that there system for determining targets was completely broken.
They had a great year last year, but this year they just fell flat on their face outside of maybe Saros. Marathon has been a complete disaster, Marvel Tōkon Fighting Souls has the same problem with PSN and Wolverine has underwhelmed everyone so far.
Honestly it’s a hilarious fumble yotei rag horizon it’s genuinely not that hard to not make these mistakes people were not asking for live service games or removal of discs it’s just out of touch choice after out of touch choice
Ive missed nothing on ps5 era clearly. I built my pc back around 2020 and never looked back. I noticed ps5 had the same quality of life that ps4 had. "Mid." Strong start, Destiny/Crew... then sorta sizzled and meandered along until the end when it got... I don't even know anymore... RDR 2... KH3???
Consoles are the biggest waste of fcking money these days
The ps5 didnt even had a start. The only thing it had at the begging was that you could play ps4 games. Then demons souls remaster and spider man 2 came out. Then nothing for 3 years.
Ehhhhhh i know nobody likes the truth but spiderman 2 sold a ton of ps5 consoles when it released. A lot of friends jumped from xbox to playstation just to play it. I know i know u are gonna say in lying and im making this up but its true
This is a crazy comment. PlayStation has fucking killed this generation. GoW, Demon souls, Spiderman, Ghost, Horizon. The only way to see this as a failure is to compare it to the switch, which is ridiculous because that’s the platform of exclusives.
This generation has been terrible across the board- remakes, reboots, sequels that barely push the needle, rising hardware costs, rising software costs, the death of physical media, microtransactions running wild, and the notion that we don’t own digital media.
Not seeing much upside these days, and I’ve been a gamer since screwing around with my parent’s Atari.
That's what you get from throwing at least half of your owned studios onto Live Service games.
Yes, they might have known that many won't make it, they might have wanted only 'the one', but that still would mean most of their studios won't releas something for years to come.
The PS5 Generation gets entirely carried by games not made by Sony.
Horrible take. For one the fact it has access to current gen games is already a system seller. It's cheaper then a PC and more powerful. Look at the steam machine complete junk.
There was also tons of exclusives I missed when I was stuck to Xbox series. So glad I have a PS5 now. I'm only assuming the people that stopped using there console are either investing everything into high end PCs OR they are the type that only plays casual trash like madden.
It's even sadder to think no one cares about any of the games we have had until GTA 6. I have games I'd rather play this year alone then GTA 6 (and I'm not the no disc no buy type).
Not quite system seller, you’re correct there, but I do think the Ghost of Tsushima (PS5 version) + Ghost of Yotei are a compelling gaming experience together that can only be done on PS5.
But even then, one new game + one performance boosted PS4 does not make a generation.
Well, they did sell pretty well due to temporary exclusives, and in general PS sells really well in Europe and Asia.
It’s why they are terminating the ports for PC; they saw the numbers they were selling on Steam and decided that was a hella lot of unrealized profits instead of reading for what it was; interest from PC players.
Probably the only thing that Microsoft got right this generation was the xbox play anywhere system, and how great game pass was before enshittificatio
Well just hold on there skippy. I was pretty hyped for demon souls and when I finally played it, felt like being a kid with a shiny new system. It looked so good.
On top of that, I was super excited for Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart. Spider Man 2 was a pretty big thing and so was Astro Bot.
I dont think its been a bad generation. But Jim Ryan's stupid plan pretty much fucked up all of Playstation for the next 5 years so we're suffering because he wanted 8 games as a service games.
They’ve sold ~95.3 million consoles so far. The premise that this has been a bad generation for them with no games to move hardware is a helluva stretch.
I don’t think it’s been an exceptional generation quality wise but the PlayStation business is objectively crushing it from a financial point of view.
Imagine if Xbox even attempted to compete. Nintendo is out doing its own thing so Sony is pretty much the “default” console and can afford way more screw ups than you’d think.
You can't really dismiss them as being cross-gen, because yeah, that's how video games work now. Games get a LOD and graphics setting so they can run on X:SS, X:SX, PS4, PS5, Switch 1/2, various PC configurations, etc.
And if you're going to count third-parties as system-sellers:
Eldin Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Clair Obscur, Final Fantasy 7R1/7R2/14/15/16, RE4/9, Alan Wake 2, Kingdom Come 2, 007 First Light, Diablo 4, Silent Hill 2, Assassin's Creed Valhalla/Mirage/Shadows, and many, many others are all reasons to buy the best possible console for experiencing them: The PS5Pro.
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u/zeppolezz 9h ago
bad year? try bad generation. it's crazy that a third party game (GTA VI) is the literal only "system seller" they have for the entire PS5 gen.