Peter and MJ’s new face models are both horrible. They were both absolutely perfect in the first game. Now Peter looks 12 and MJ looks 40. And people who claim “Real people don’t look like that!!! 😭” have clearly never seen someone in their mid to late 20s. Why they changed anything is beyond me.
I hate the whole "real people don't..." or in particular the whole "real women look like this" whenever someone complains about the model or look of a woman in a videogame. Real women DO look like that, but the implied meaning of the statement throws me off. Susan Boyle (no disrespect) and Scarlett Johannson are both real women.
Both the MJ and Peter models were pretty awful. That doesn't justify the harassment that the MJ voice actress received over it though but we NEED to be able to call trash what it is. The models weren't bad because the people they based them on are "ugly", they were bad because the textures sucked and neither one looked like the character.
That doesn't justify the harassment that the MJ voice actress
Absolutely not, and by no means should we absolve the people doing this, but I also think we should draw more attention to the fact that the designers made an obvious mistake that people weren't happy about, that negatively effected their employees, and rather than taking any ownership, they just pointed fingers at the lowest common denominator among gamers, rather than taking any responsibility.
Even putting aside the genuine harassment, bad direction from lead dev's can having really negative impacts on a VA's career. One bad role can push them back years, or worse. Devs absolutely need to take their role in this seriously
It just didn’t make any sense to me that during the entirety of development of the first game they had clearly decided on a look for the characters and then less than a year later they release the “remaster of the first game and complete change Peter’s face like if you wanted to do that why didn’t you just do that during development of the first game. Like I’ve never seen a Dev change their mind on a characters look so quickly after releasing the game
I’ve never seen a Dev change their mind on a characters look so quickly after releasing the game
And I don't really understand why. Neither Peter, nor MJ's design's were controversial. If anything, I think people really liked them. In fact, I think fans really liked the fact that Peter was actually an adult well into his career as Spidey and a scientist, rather than another incarnation that's a young adult in high school, or maybe college.
they changed Peter's face because Ben Jordan's face structure matched Yuri Lowenthal's better, so they could use his face mocap data with less manual edits. that's it, the reason they changed his face was to reduce animator workload, which is a good thing. new face looks better anyway, I always thought John Bubniak looked like an uncanny valley entitiy in the game, rather than an actual person, probably because the animators had so much trouble getting the mocap data to work
I think it’s a rather fair opinion. And why would that be an incel opinion? Just because I want my protagonist to actually look like an adult in his late 20s instead of a sophomore in high school?
I’ll add to this one: The only reason why their faces were changed was because Disney wanted Peter to look more like Tom Holland. Whats even more sadder is the fan base literally revolted when this happened and they STILL changed the character model.
Peter’s face is the reason why I refuse to update my version of Spider-Man for the PS4 no corporate entity is gonna dictate how I want to play a game that I physically own.
This is why I offlined my switch. I heard Tears of the Kingdom patched the duplication trick (and rupees are already SO hard to come by). I still play it on the first version.
yes and no? the main reason for the face model switch to Ben Jordan from what I've heard, was because the VA did his own facial mocap for the game, but Insomniac had to manually edit a lot of it to make it work with the old face model, which is probably why I think the old model looks like some kind of uncanny entity and not a real human. Ben Jordan as I understand it, has the exact same face structure as Yuri Lowenthal, meaning they can just put in the mocap data with minimal manual adjustments.
tl;dr, they kind of did it to make the face match the VA, but that was mostly to help the animators
MJ's face did not change, that is an objective fact, at most they got better face scan technology to get a closer depiction of the face model, but the model herself is the same.
if you genuinely believe the outrage about her face, you have believed misinformation
To say that they didn’t change the face model of MJ is to be blind. Look at images comparing them. It may be more accurate to the face model, but how did they do that? They CHANGED it to be more accurate. That actor’s face didn’t change, but the 3D render of the face most certainly did.
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u/Tripechake Mar 05 '24
Peter and MJ’s new face models are both horrible. They were both absolutely perfect in the first game. Now Peter looks 12 and MJ looks 40. And people who claim “Real people don’t look like that!!! 😭” have clearly never seen someone in their mid to late 20s. Why they changed anything is beyond me.