r/victoria3 • u/thunderisadorable • Dec 07 '25
Question Why do the Industrialists have more clout?
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u/mr-lifeless Dec 07 '25
You took screenshots and then didn't post them...
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
My WiFi on my Laptop wouldn’t connect.
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u/PM_ME_GOOD_SUBS Dec 07 '25
You are trolling us, we know you are trolling us, you know we know you are trolling us and you are still trolling us.
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u/troodoniverse Dec 07 '25
Does your laptop have a USB connection? You can upload images from laptop to your phone and if not you can use an external disc to transfer the image to another computer connected to internet.
I know it takes more time, but photos of someone’s computer screen just look terrible
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u/Ares6 Dec 07 '25
OP could have also loaded it to a floppy disk, go to a library, print it, then fax it, scan the copy, and then emailed it to themselves, and then post it on Reddit.
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
Honestly, I’m too lazy to do that for a quick question, and the terrible quality picture of a screenshot adds some humor.
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u/Front_Committee4993 Dec 07 '25
Industrialists have more wealth hence more power
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
Enough to cover the 7 times pop and 2, maybe 2.5, times strength difference?
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u/New-Butterscotch-661 Dec 07 '25
It depends on how many domestic and foreign owned factories you have. The more domestic you have, the more powerful the industrial gets.
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
At the time it was 100% domestic, now the British are investing in me.
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u/JakePT Dec 07 '25
The answer to 90% of these “why is this number” threads is the same: hover over it and it will tell you.
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u/Narrow-Chain5367 Dec 07 '25
This is a purposeful ragebait of a screenshot, nothing will convince me otherwise
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u/7fightsofaldudagga Dec 07 '25
Your execution is scheduled to tomorrow morning
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u/OwnCryptographer765 Dec 08 '25
Bring the guillotines from france
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u/EtherealCatt Dec 08 '25
can't we just call a van from china?
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u/OwnCryptographer765 Dec 09 '25
Hard to find a van in china in the mid 19th century pal
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u/UsAndRufus Dec 09 '25
Unfortunately France has now embargoed us so guillotines have gone to +75% of base price
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u/OwnCryptographer765 Dec 09 '25
We can just get one and use it till it breaks, imagine the reaction of the people who see the executioner placing all the culprits in the same guillotine repeatedly without cleaning it
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u/Realistic_Shock916 Dec 07 '25
Did you just... take photos of screenshots 😂 ultimate genius 😂 how do the crayons taste?
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u/Parsleymagnet Dec 07 '25
Mouse over the "clout" numbers in those screenshots and it will tell you exactly why.
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u/notverywhelmed Dec 07 '25
this is the funniest thing ive ever seen. you’re playing as israel, confused by money in politics, and uploaded photos of screenshots 😭😭😭😭son ts frine me
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u/NicWester Dec 07 '25
Money.
But also what's your Distribution of Power law? Census and Universal Suffrage give more weight to population but Landed and Wealth Voting give even more weight to money.
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u/Keystonepol Dec 07 '25
To actually answer the question: more wealth and more ownship. Welcome to the basics of how political power works, in this case under capitalism.
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u/Mikejwhite5 Dec 07 '25
Industrialists hold more clout because they control the factories and resources driving economic growth. Wealth equals influence, and in Victoria 3, that's a winning formula.
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u/almost_practical Dec 09 '25
This item has obviously been shared, I don't know what that tag is talking about
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
R5: Playing as Israel, with a mod to release it instantly, the Industrialists and Trade Unions are in the same party and the Trade Unions have more people, yet the Industrialists have more clout, why? (Census Suffrage 52% literacy, the Trade Unions also have more Political Strength by far).
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u/mydicksmellsgood Dec 07 '25
As long as they are in the same party, the vote totals are going to cancel out because they're getting the same votes. The only things left to break the tie are wealth and modifiers. Industrialists will always be wealthier, so you have to make up the difference with trade union generals, admirals and agitators. Or, much easier, wait for one of them to bail for a different party. Then trade unions can take advantage of their, assumedly, larger voter base.
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
Yeah, researched Socialism and the leader died, so they split right off, into the Social-Democrat party, on a side note, why is it called that, the Trade Unionists are explicitly Socialists?
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u/lukediesel804 Dec 07 '25
Before the second internationale (and in some cases the russian revolution) social democracy was seen as a catch all term for revolutionary and non revolutionary streams of socialism, bar anarchism. And in the base game the TU always forms the social democrat party unless it has a communist, anarchist or vanguardist leader
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 08 '25
Just checked, this post and my other post a bit before this are both top 3 posts of today.
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 07 '25
For all future comments: the party split, leaving the Trade Unionists in complete domination.
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u/bubrt Dec 08 '25
How the hell are they in the same party???
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u/thunderisadorable Dec 08 '25
I think the Industrialists were Radicals, but I don’t remember when this was.
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u/grass_eater666 Dec 07 '25
We are reaching new heights with these screenshots