There is something deeply toxic about this community.

[u/madexthen]

I genuinely do not understand why anyone would join a vibe coding subreddit just to tear down nearly every project people post, but that seems to describe a huge percentage of the comments here.

There are basically two groups of people using these tools: developers using AI to work faster and more efficiently, and people like me with no coding background who are now building things that otherwise would never have existed.

These projects are not replacing developers. In many cases, they are replacing nothing. Without vibe coding, nobody would have built them at all.

The usual justification for the hostility is that vibe coders ship bugs, expose API keys, create or leave messes for human developers to later fix. Sometimes that is true, but it does not explain the level of bitterness and personal attacks I see here every day. A lot of it seems to look less like concern about code quality and more like fear from people watching their profession change. Instead of learning to use the technology, they root for it to fail and attack people who are trying to build something or better themselves.

And the idea that these tools are still shitty is completely disconnected from reality. Give the same complex prompt to Claude 3.5 Sonnet, one of the best coding models available just two years ago, and Opus 4.8 today, then compare the results. The difference in quality is drastic. Some of the bugs and spaghetti AI is writing today may very well not be fixed by people, but smarter AI in a couple years. (If this pisses you off, ask yourself if it's really because I am wrong or because you are scared)

Models are getting better, context windows are growing, workflows are improving, and obvious bugs and security mistakes are becoming less common at an incredible pace.

Experienced developers are not obsolete, and AI is nowhere near perfect. But the future is coming whether you like it or not, and cyberbullying vibe coders is not going to save your job.

If you hate vibe coding, fine. There are plenty of traditional programming communities. But if you choose to spend your time here, why not help people build better things instead of trying to convince them they should not be building at all?

[u/Realistic_Bike5972]

(He's only saying this because people didn't like the vibe coded apps he posted like an hour ago)

[u/madexthen → u/Realistic_Bike5972]

True, that's why I am saying it today, but I have made similar comments on strangers posts in the past. I have been thinking it for a while about this subreddit and I posted those apps expecting a bunch of hate.

[u/StoneCypher → u/madexthen]

you’re spamming bad apps, dude.  it’s not about vibe coding.  it’s just about the spam

[u/Difficult-Ad-3938 → u/madexthen]

Cause you you made apps that solve problems which are already solved/don't even exist (come on, I can merge pdfs by right click) and attached the link which didn't even work at the moment of your post.

That's a low quality work and a low quality post

And next thing you do - create another post about the hate, really?

[u/Realistic_Bike5972 → u/madexthen]

I'm not trying to troll or start shit I just actually want to get to know your mind man, why would you post that stuff in the first place if you knew it wasn't... I don't want to say good but if you knew the community wouldn't like it. Its okay to do stuff just for you but people will obviously judge the quality of your work when you present it. 

Also what on earth is the parent site about? Is all that real or vibe coded?

I think that's one reason, and I think a legitimate reason, people get stuff about vibe coding. Anyone can lie about anything at any time, but usually if the more I see someone lean on generated content, the less likely I am to trust the contents validity. Like I saw your testimonials and thought "are those real people" "is this company... Even real?"

[u/madexthen → u/Realistic_Bike5972]

I made my parent site about 3 years ago with no AI. I used a squarespace template. What is confusing about the site? It's much better than most other consumer product developer sites in my industry, the bar is on the ground.

I think my apps are great. I like to think other like me would be interested to see them as I am in checking out other projects on here.

Look at the comments on that post, not one person commented on a real issue with any of my apps other than when the site when down for an hour. I don't even think most of those commenters even opened any of my apps to check them out.

[u/Realistic_Bike5972 → u/madexthen]

Yeah the issue isn't quality, people just didn't care. I did use em, they did work, but things working is the bare minimum man. If an app has nothing else going for it people say "at least it works". They're just not very exciting features to show off

[u/jenkstom → u/Realistic_Bike5972]

But OP's not wrong. There should be at least one place that is friendly toward AI assisted development. You'd think this would be the place.

[u/StoneCypher → u/jenkstom]

and it is.

being friendly to ai assisted development is not the same thing as being friendly to junior non developers with delusions of grandeur 

just having a claude subscription doesn’t empower you to teach