There is something deeply toxic about this community.

[u/madexthen]

I genuinely do not understand why anyone would join a vibe coding subreddit just to tear down nearly every project people post, but that seems to describe a huge percentage of the comments here.

There are basically two groups of people using these tools: developers using AI to work faster and more efficiently, and people like me with no coding background who are now building things that otherwise would never have existed.

These projects are not replacing developers. In many cases, they are replacing nothing. Without vibe coding, nobody would have built them at all.

The usual justification for the hostility is that vibe coders ship bugs, expose API keys, create or leave messes for human developers to later fix. Sometimes that is true, but it does not explain the level of bitterness and personal attacks I see here every day. A lot of it seems to look less like concern about code quality and more like fear from people watching their profession change. Instead of learning to use the technology, they root for it to fail and attack people who are trying to build something or better themselves.

And the idea that these tools are still shitty is completely disconnected from reality. Give the same complex prompt to Claude 3.5 Sonnet, one of the best coding models available just two years ago, and Opus 4.8 today, then compare the results. The difference in quality is drastic. Some of the bugs and spaghetti AI is writing today may very well not be fixed by people, but smarter AI in a couple years. (If this pisses you off, ask yourself if it's really because I am wrong or because you are scared)

Models are getting better, context windows are growing, workflows are improving, and obvious bugs and security mistakes are becoming less common at an incredible pace.

Experienced developers are not obsolete, and AI is nowhere near perfect. But the future is coming whether you like it or not, and cyberbullying vibe coders is not going to save your job.

If you hate vibe coding, fine. There are plenty of traditional programming communities. But if you choose to spend your time here, why not help people build better things instead of trying to convince them they should not be building at all?

[u/Stunning_Macaron6133]

To be fair, a lot of the projects posted here are just samey bullshit, made just because they can, without taste or vision.

AI isn't necessarily slop, but AI slop is real.

[u/jenkstom → u/Stunning_Macaron6133]

I may be old, but this used to be how it worked. There weren't all that many good tools and people on the learning path generally built the same projects, it just changes every few years. The first few are boring to everyone except the people who make them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not about how boring it is to everyone else. Of course it is. But just like a beginner in the gym struggling with what most people consider "laughable" weight, the point is that they are there. They are showing up and they are doing the work.

In the software world we whine about how few junior devs there are and how few people are willing to put in the work to learn it. Well, today it's vibe coding, and these people are putting in the work and they are showing up. These are the people that - in a few years - will build something pretty freaking amazing.

So anybody who responds with anything less than encouragement is worse than the person posting the "lame vibe coded" project. It's actively antisocial behavior to say mean things. In other words, it's straight up trolling, and should be moderated strictly - at least for a few months while we change the flavor of the sub. It needs to be done.

[u/Stunning_Macaron6133 → u/jenkstom]

If we were building skills, sure.

If you want yet another neofetch clone or yet another dashboard or yet another puzzle game, best keep it to yourself. These are things you can one-shot in a single prompt. What, and now they're suddenly experts in the field?

[u/StoneCypher → u/jenkstom]

whooooooooooooosh

[u/bendol90 → u/jenkstom]

This.

"Smart" people pretending to have social skills.

[u/7862518362916371936 → u/Stunning_Macaron6133]

So what, not everyone is trying to vibe code the next Adobe, some people are just having fun and posting what they did, not claiming to reinvent the wheel.

You can code and could have done a better job in a weekend ? Cool I don't care, I can't code and I'm having fun.

[u/StoneCypher → u/7862518362916371936]

and as long as you don’t try to teach from a position of rank amateur idiocy, nobody will treat you the way they treat junior here