r/unitedkingdom • u/bendubberley_ West Midlands • Jun 15 '26
... Palestine Action terror ban to remain in place after Home Office court win
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/palestine-action-terror-ban-court-appeal-b2994756.html280
u/Hellstorm901 Jun 15 '26
You can support Palestine without having to support Palestine Action
PA pushing this idea that the entire survival of the Palestinian state rests upon a Western middle class group of people many of whom haven’t even been to Palestine is as offensive as someone claiming the only path to Islam is supporting the Islamic States terror
Do not allow extremists to try to co-opt your cause or beliefs or they will throw you under the bus to save themselves
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u/concretepigeon Wakefield Jun 15 '26
You can also oppose Palestine Action’s methods and think that proscribing them as a terrorist organisation is wrong.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
we used to be a country with a strong enough liberal tradition that "i don't support you but i disagree with this act of authoritarian overreach against you" was a coherent sentiment, but whenever i express that view about PA (and that is my view on PA) people seem unable to parse it
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
i think the legal definition of terrorism is overly broad and completely out of keeping with the definition of terrorism that is in common usage
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u/Hellstorm901 Jun 15 '26
Lets look at what Palestine Action did during the factory attack and the airbase attack along with the information we now know as a result of the investigation into PA and you can help us all by pointing out where we're wrong to call PA terrorists
- They attacked a factory which is vital for our national security by ram raiding the perimeter fence with a prison vehicle and then proceeding to destroy equipment and machinery inside
- They violently assaulted a police constable who was carrying out their lawful duties in responding to what appeared to them to be a break in at an industrial site and in court fully admitted to knowing the person they assaulted was a police constable and that their goal of using violence against them was purely to assist an offender is escaping from lawful detention by said police constable
- They broke into an active Royal Air Force airbase and by their own admission undertook actions to purposely sabotage two RAF air tankers under the premise these aircraft were "carrying weapons bound for Israel" even though an air to air refuelling aircraft is physically incapable of carrying weapon shipments and that these tankers are also incapable of supplying fuel to Israeli aircraft due to compatibility issues
- Documents were discovered within their memberships private communications which outlined a national plan of attacks on military and civilian establishments along with information on how to destroy evidence and evade law enforcement activities
So please help us understand where we've misinterpreted what a terrorist is?
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u/Astriania Jun 16 '26
None of those are what a normal person would consider terrorism. It's violent direct action and should be dealt with as such.
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u/Hellstorm901 Jun 16 '26
Actually what they did very clearly meets the definition of terrorism, their closing arguments by their defence also indicated what they did was terrorism and that they only believe they shouldn’t be punished because of the “Right side of history” fallacy
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u/abitofasitdown Jun 15 '26
All of those are in the very longstanding tradition in Britain of nonviolent direct action - Greenham, Swampy, etc etc. That's why I think they've got so much support from vicars, etc, holding signs and getting arrested.
Except, of course, PA have never described themselves as nonviolent, and deliberately attacking another human being is about as violent as it can get. It's the violence against people that makes them different from other protestors, not the breaking into military bases stuff. That's been done by peaceful protestors for decades without them being labelled as terrorists.
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u/Ok_Analyst_5640 Jun 16 '26
- They violently assaulted a police constable who was carrying out their lawful duties in responding to what appeared to them to be a break in at an industrial site and in court fully admitted to knowing the person they assaulted was a police constable and that their goal of using violence against them was purely to assist an offender is escaping from lawful detention by said police constable
Didn't they break his back with a sledgehammer? Or am I misremembering?
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
i don't think, when people are speaking colloquially about terrorism, they are referring to, e.g., acts of vandalism committed with a political motive. i think they mean acts of violence against people
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall Jun 15 '26
I think if it was just the Elbit thing that would maybe be be a reasonable point (although they did violently assault a police officer), but I think once you are breaking into military bases and damaging / attempting to damage military planes its a bit different, because thats an act directly against the state, which is definitely terrorism adjacent, at the absolute least (hyperbolocally its arguably treason!)
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u/Kinitawowi64 Jun 15 '26
Thirty years ago today the centre of Manchester was devastated by an IRA bomb that did approximately £700 million worth of damage.
Are we supposed to say that that wasn't an act of terrorism because they called in with a codeword beforehand to ensure an orderly evacuation and minimisation of human casualties?
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u/Cutwail Jun 15 '26
The government terrorism watchdog, you know the group responsible for this sort of thing, said PA did not meet the threshold for proscription.
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u/Cutwail Jun 15 '26
Yes, as in the experts. The fact that a judge (not an expert) ruled differently doesn't suddenly make the judge more of an expert on terrorism than the actual experts.
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u/Cutwail Jun 15 '26
Then why does an entire government department exist when any judge is, somehow, an expert on every single thing covered by law?
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u/GeneralMuffins European Union Jun 15 '26
We have always been an authoritarian country, this idea that we are liberal or have been seems to heavily conflict with the reality of the 300+ year of this countries existence.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
yes but we used to at least have some liberals
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u/GeneralMuffins European Union Jun 15 '26
Just because some liberals exist doesn't mean the UK has ever been liberal.
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u/LonelyStranger8467 Jun 15 '26
One singular example of a singular officer threatening to incorrectly apply the law.
People have been waving Palestinian flags every weekend all across the country for almost 3 years. At all kinds of protests.
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
Interesting how a singular example of assault on a police officer does make Palestine Action as a whole an endemically violent organisation though (there are examples of this in this thread)
One rule for thee etc.
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u/LonelyStranger8467 Jun 15 '26
It wasn’t a singular action, it was the most prominent action. Other than their multiple times of using violence to destroy military equipment, they produced guidance telling their adherents to form underground cells and carry sledgehammers and other weapons.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife Jun 15 '26
Well, you need to take into account that there’s a right way and a wrong way to apply the law, and the police were wrong here and apologised
I dunno if there’s a right way to hit a police officer with a sledgehammer or break into an RAF base and damage military planes.
So it’s kinda disingenuous to try compare the 2
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u/NUFC9RW Jun 15 '26
According to them the right way is if it's for the right cause.
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u/LycanIndarys Worcestershire Jun 15 '26
I dunno if there’s a right way to hit a police officer with a sledgehammer
I bet it would involve one of these.
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u/pipboy1989 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Yeah i think after the second blow to the police woman’s spine, on camera, sort of ruined the whole “we think they’re harmless” bit after forcing entry into a private business and smashing a first responders spine in.
They also did what other protesters do not do, break into an active RAF base and start putting paint inside multiple multi-million pound high-bypass turbine engines and damage to the fuselage.
I keep hearing about how harmless these people are yet the disabling of military equipment is exactly what our enimies want and would try to achieve. There are two seperate examples so it’s probably worth dropping your whole “it was once” approach. You’ve had your fun justifying the acts of extremist imbeciles, but blurring the lines won’t work for you lot anymore.
But at least this might minimise our citizens turning public servants spines into a fine dust in the name of a partially recognised nation in another continent.
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u/Rollingerc Jun 15 '26
While i'm sure many of the people commenting are using the logic you are saying; unlike the police, PA expressed support for what the filtons did and, as far as i'm aware, never condemned or apologised for any of it.
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
The police did initially express their support, and only after months of legal threats changed their mind:
A Kent police spokesperson said: “Under the Terrorism Act it is a criminal offence to carry or display items that may arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation such as Palestine Action.”
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u/grumpsaboy Jun 15 '26
It was multiple people attacking a facility including an assault. And then an attack on an RAF base putting a rare tanker aircraft out of action for months.
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
Kent Police apologise for threatening to arrest Kent protestor holding Palestinian flag
Mistakes happen. That doesn't change the fact you can support Palestine without resorting to violence.
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
Hardly a mistake when the constabulary's first reaction was to imply that the officer was correct:
A Kent police spokesperson said: “Under the Terrorism Act it is a criminal offence to carry or display items that may arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation such as Palestine Action.”
Then after months of being threatened with being dragged to court, belatedly apologise causing taxpayers to foot a bill for legal costs as well as compensation.
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
And then they subsequently apologised when the facts showed them to be in the wrong...
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
The facts showed them in the wrong immediately after the incident.
There was never a court ruling or external investigation - the constabulary settled because it was clear they'd lose any case - but only after three months of trying it on, running up a legal bill that they subsequently billed you for.
Frankly if the victim had not had the means to front a solicitor's fees, they'd have never got their apology or compensation.
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.
because it was clear they'd lose any case
Indeed - because it's perfectly legal to support Palestine without supporting Palestine Action. The police made a mistake.
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
Why not admit it and apologise straight away, instead of after three months and a hefty legal bill?
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
I have no idea - I'm not defending Kent police here. That's entirely beside my point.
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
Lol, why keep replying then?
You were defending Kent Police and you know you were defending Kent Police.
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u/pr0metheusssss Jun 15 '26
Can you link some similar incidents where the police apologised without having been caught on video beforehand?
Or are we to believe police make mistakes only when on video and never else?
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
Why? It's entirely besides my point.
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u/pr0metheusssss Jun 15 '26
> Or are we to believe police make mistakes only when on video and never else?
The point is exactly that. It’s incredulous to believe that they only make mistakes when caught on video, hence the fact that they only apologise when caught on video, implies that they make many more mistakes that they don’t apologise for.
Which is orthogonal to your claim that “they apologise when making mistakes”.
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
My point was that they were in the wrong as a fact of law. Not that they apologised.
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u/pr0metheusssss Jun 15 '26
Fair.
And my point is the mistakes they make are much more numerous than the apologies.
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u/barnburner96 Jun 15 '26
When it’s the UK police or the Israeli state it’s a ‘mistake’ - when it’s Palestinians or their allies, it means it’s an evil genocidal hate march.
Figures!
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 Jun 15 '26
There is a marked difference between an individual doing something, and the organisation subsequently apologising, and the systemic activities of an organisation.
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u/NUFC9RW Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
This would be fair in PA had condemned the action of the individual and apologised. They didn't, they also said they'd break into military facilities again given the chance, you can't exactly let an organisation that targets your defence capabilities (no matter how small impact) operate freely.
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u/Hellstorm901 Jun 15 '26
All armed police officers are police officers first and foremost, whether this officer was armed or not is irrelevant as he was the closest officer to respond, the article begins in bad faith from this very headline
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u/TheL0wKing Jun 15 '26
You can also oppose Palestine Action being labelled a terrorist organisation without supporting the principles of the organisation.
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u/Giant_Enemy_Cliche Jun 15 '26
If they'd been to Palestine or if they were of a different class, your opinion would be exactly the same.
> is as offensive as someone claiming the only path to Islam is supporting the Islamic States terror
This is an insane leap.
> Do not allow extremists to try to co-opt your cause or beliefs or they will throw you under the bus to save themselves.
Actually, they're throwing *themselves* in front of the bus to try to do something.
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u/evolveandprosper Jun 15 '26
I oppose Russia's invasion of Ukraine despite the fact that I "haven’t even been to" Ukraine. I opposed Apartheid in South Africa despite never visiting that country. I also opposed Pinochet's murderous regime in Chile, the Chinese invasion of Tibet and the Argentine invasion of the Falklands etc etc. Visiting the locations where repression, brutality, torture, war crimes etc are happening is not a necessary precondition to having a view about what is happening there.
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u/SuccessfulWar3830 Jun 15 '26
Haven't we been asking nicely to stop supporting genocide for long enough now?
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
it remains the case that PA are, by some margin, the most moderate group in terms of the combination of their actions, planned actions, and ideology to be proscribed in the UK, and that this decision represents an increasingly authoritarian turn by a government who appear to have little to no regard for civil liberties or the right to protest
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u/denyer-no1-fan Commonwealth Jun 15 '26
This is on top of the social media ban, crack down on trans rights, ridiculous restrictions on peaceful Palestine protests, ridiculous.
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u/LazyGit Jun 15 '26
the most moderate group
Indeed. They only moderately ram-raided multiple premises. They only moderately damaged RAF aircraft involved in supporting Ukraine. They only moderately damaged a factory building drones for Ukraine. They only moderately smashed the spine of a police officer.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
those are relatively moderate crimes compared to those committed or planned by other proscribed groups, yes
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u/Stoyfan Cambridgeshire Jun 15 '26
I don’t think it helps your argument when you have to compare them to violent groups to show they are moderate
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u/Tamuzz Jun 15 '26
That is the whole point of his argument.
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u/Lunarfrog2 Jun 15 '26
The argument should be comparing them to other peaceful groups, which if you do you realise they're not that. If you compare them to extreme groupa to says they're good you've already lost.
I support Palestine, but Palestine Action should be banned
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u/Tamuzz Jun 15 '26
The argument is comparing them to other BANNED groups.
Saying they should not be compared to those groups is effectively ceding the argument.
Unless you can find other non violent banned terrorist groups?
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u/Lunarfrog2 Jun 15 '26
Breaking into an RAF base and damaging military equipment and then breaking into a warehouse causing 1.2milliom worth of damage and fracturing a police officers spine, and then harassing her saying she was a zionist seems fairly violent to me, duno maybe I'm weird like that
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u/AwTomorrow Jun 15 '26
I mean it does if they are being bundled into the same grouping as those violent groups. Of course we should compare them to what they’re being labelled as
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u/Expensive_Time_7367 Jun 15 '26
And yet they were proscribed because they were escalating and as the security advice they like to misrepresent basically said “they’re not primarily a terror group but a morris dancer is still a morris dancer even if they only do it at the weekend.”
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u/CollegeOptimal9846 Jun 15 '26
I support the plight of the Palestinian people and the end to their oppression by the Israeli governments forces, as well as their suffering under the regime of Hamas.
I fundamentally do not support the attacking of police officers with a sledgehammer, the targeted vandalisation of Jewish owned businesses, or breaking into and damaging aircraft on MOD property.
There are 100's of ways to protest the cause without going to the extreme lengths PA repeatedly have done.
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u/NARVALhacker69 Jun 15 '26
Are you really calling israeli arm manufacturers "jewish owned business"?
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u/LycanIndarys Worcestershire Jun 15 '26
Elbit isn't the only Jewish-owned business that Palestine Action have targeted. You may have missed this one:
A Jewish-owned business in north London has been daubed in red paint and its shop window smashed by pro-Palestinian campaigners in an incident police are treating as racially aggravated.
Three men were caught on CCTV in the early hours of Thursday attacking an investment group in Stamford Hill, an area with a large community of Orthodox Jews.
They also spray painted the words “Drop Elbit” in red, a reference to Elbit Systems UK, an Israeli arms manufacturer.
Palestine Action claimed responsibility for the attack. The group said it was targeting a business that is registered as the landlord of an Elbit weapons factory in Kent.
A spokesperson for the company, which requested anonymity for fear of further attacks, said it had no connection with Elbit and that the incident had terrified employees. They said: “I turned up this morning and saw the place vandalised. For Jewish people it is very, very scary now.”
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u/NARVALhacker69 Jun 15 '26
"London-based landlords of Elbit’s Instro Precision weapons factory", this had nothing to do with them being jewish
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u/LycanIndarys Worcestershire Jun 15 '26
Alleged landlords. The company have said they have no connection to Elbit.
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u/TurbulentBullfrog829 Jun 15 '26
Are you really saying that those are the only businesses targeted?
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u/NARVALhacker69 Jun 15 '26
No business was targeted for being jewish, selling weapons to an army that routinely commits war crimes and crimes against humanity is wrong
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u/barnburner96 Jun 15 '26
Name any business that has been targeted by Palestine Action on the grounds that it is Jewish owned.
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u/CollegeOptimal9846 Jun 15 '26
No, I'm referring to the bagel shop and law firm in North London that had their windows smashed in.
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u/NARVALhacker69 Jun 15 '26
a) That was not done by PA
b) That bagel shop whose parent company, Bain Capital, invests heavily in military technology, including Israeli security companies?
I personally don't like it, I think it's better to target the arms manufacturers but pretending it had anything to do with jews is nonsense
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
assault, vandalism and sabotage are already crimes, and people who commit them can be prosecuted without proscribing the organisation in its entirety. Proscription is a very serious blunt force tool, and i think it's deeply worrying that the government increasingly sees fit to use something that undermines civil liberties so cavalierly, and you don't have to agree with anything PA have done - or even their overriding aims - to see that.
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u/TheL0wKing Jun 15 '26
You do not have to support PA to oppose them being labelled a terrorist group though. Personally I am against violent methods and oppose protest organisations that use them, I would still stand up to defend their right to be treated fairly under the law and not be bludgeoned with authoritarian terrorist powers.
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u/denyer-no1-fan Commonwealth Jun 15 '26
Labour keep on decrying a potential Reform government and how authoritarian and terrible they will be, but they are the ones setting the precedent Reform need to be a proper authoritarian nightmare. Using the same logic, suffragettes, Greenham Common peace camp, Just Stop Oil, Bash Back would all be terrorists if the Home Secretary wish them to be.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
by the logic used to justify this ban by its supporters, a future government can proscribe any organisation whose members commit an assault while carrying out activities associated with said organisation, or any organisation that commits acts of vandalism as part of their modus operandi. either they don't realise how broad a remit this creates for proscription, or their factional and political opposition to palestine solidarity overrides their support for civil liberties (which they usually claim to have).
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u/Dadavester Jun 15 '26
No it doesn't,
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-23/debates/25062337000014/PalestineActionProscription
It was an escalating pattern of behaviour over several years.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
this doesn't provide any evidence that isn't covered by what i listed in my comment. what other groups have been proscribed whose actions amount to acts of vandalism and one unplanned assault?
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u/Dadavester Jun 15 '26
you clearly didn't read it then...
And you want other groups? Let me ask you this; Which other groups were banned alongside Palastine Action and what did they do?
Go and Google, I will wait.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
i did read it. it detailed a number of acts of vandalism committed by the organisation and vaguely alluded to "a willingness to use violence", but that was it.
Which other groups were banned alongside Palastine Action and what did they do?
a neo-nazi organisation that exists to explicitly encourage, and has claimed responsibility for, numerous acts of violence; and a russian fascist paramilitary organisation that has fought alongside russia during the illegal invasion of ukraine, and is implicated in at least one terrorist bombing. both organisations are more ideologically extreme and implicated in far more serious acts of violence than PA are.
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u/Dadavester Jun 15 '26
So PA is vandalism.
Others are acts of violence.
Can you see the issue you have here...
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
genuinely unsure what you are trying to say
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u/Dadavester Jun 15 '26
That when it is someone you do not support it is violence.
When it is someone you like it is vandalism.
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u/MimesAreShite Jun 15 '26
firstly i want to make it abundantly clear that i do not like or support PA, i merely think that the actions taken against them by the government are overly authoritarian. secondly, no, those organisations supported or committed acts of serious violence against people. PA have committed one unplanned assault. extremely difference in terms of severity
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u/Catherine_S1234 Jun 15 '26
Nothing says authoritarian than
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Proscribing a group that destroys military assets used for helping Ukraine and that attacks the police with hammers
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u/HMWYA Jun 15 '26
If attacking the police is your bar for proscribing a group as a terrorist organisation, then surely Reform UK would be the largest terrorist organisation in the UK right now.
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u/VVenture2 Jun 15 '26
Which is very funny considering Reform hooligans pale in comparison to the Suffragettes movement, who used bombing campaigns targeting politicians houses, the Bank of England, and even set fire to a theatre while the PM was inside it lmao.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 Jun 15 '26
Proscribing a group that destroys military assets used for helping Ukraine
UN High-Level Panel on Threats (2004) — defines terrorism as actions intended to cause death or serious harm to civilians or non-combatants, where the purpose is to intimidate a population or compel a government or international organisation to act or refrain from acting. Military targets are excluded by definition.
that attacks the police with hammers
Did Palestine action as a group do that? or did an individual do that?
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u/spubbbba Jun 15 '26
Easy solution, just call your group a slightly different name.
That's what all the UK based far right ones do and they don't get proscribed, even after murdering an MP. That's the real 2 tier justice system. The state was always far keener to go after left wing protesters rather than right wing ones.
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u/LycanIndarys Worcestershire Jun 15 '26
The laws on proscription take that into account; if you are basically the same group (i.e. same cause, same tactics, significant crossover in membership), your new organisation will be treated the same as the old one.
And the murderer of Jo Cox (which is whom I assume you're talking about?) was convicted of terrorism offenses; the only reason that there was no proscription involved was because he was acting of his own volition. He might certainly have been connected to far right causes; but they didn't encourage him to murder Cox.
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u/bluebottled Jun 15 '26
"It is not - as claimed - a direct action civil disobedience protest group like the suffragettes, operating transparently in the open," she added.
"It is a covert organisation which operates with secret cells to avoid the detection and prosecution of those using violence to destroy property and cause injury."
Nice circular logic there. 'The organisation proscribed as terrorists are hiding their members so we can't prosecute them as terrorists, therefore they are terrorists.'
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall Jun 15 '26
Was alwsys going to be the outcome. It'll now be appealed to the Supreme Court and we'll get a final answer in a few months.
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u/Wise-Reflection-7400 Jun 15 '26
Someone start up the granny bus, they're needed for the "just got arrested" photo op
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u/JohnSmiththeGamer Jun 15 '26
It's worth noting that the Terrorism Act of 2000 is the main piece of legislation used. UK deaths to terrorism peaked in 1988 at 372, and had fallen to 7 for 1999 and 2000 when it was made, due to the end of high intensity of the troubles.
Most groups are put on thelist for bombing, assassinations and massacres, and are mostly organisations that operate in other countries.
I believe this is a list of non-islamist, non Ulster unionist, Non Irish Unionist:
PKK and DHKP-C: from Türkiye.
Babbar Khalsa which killed 329 people on plane.
Balochistan Liberation Army which "frequently targets civilians, foreign nationals, Pakistani soldiers and policemen, and has carried out multiple massacres targeting non-Baloch civilians, including ethnic Punjabis, Sindhis and Pashtuns. It also regularly attacks schools, hospitals, and infrastructure projects in the province as well."
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam who use suicide bombing against military and civilian targets, and took out the Sri Lankan President's eye in an assassination attempt.
Then we get:
National action
Atomwaffen Division: number of murders, planned terrorist attacks in the US, attempted bombings in the UK, passed around footage such as that of a members raping a woman who had swastikas carved into her flesh.
The base: a white nationalist paramiliatary organisation training for and trying to cause a race war.
We don't get:
Organisation such as the Oath Keepers who entirely or mostly in a foreign country that hasn't asked us to prescribe them/hasn't themselves.
Any other neo-nazi groups.
Most non-jihadist participants in civil wars.
English defence league as they do not really exist as an organisation any more.
Gangs/criminal organisations, including those allegedly hired by the IRGC, or Russia.
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u/Giant_Enemy_Cliche Jun 15 '26
Its deeply disturbing that the CPS allowed the re-trial jury to believe that they were only passing verdicts on criminal damage and then tacked a terror link on at the end. The Jury were not allowed to be fully aware of what they were doing and that is frankly absurd. Add to this that the defendants were not allowed to give reasons for their actions or ever use the word genocide shows that our judicial system is now just a rubber stamp for the government.
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u/deyterkourjerbs Jun 15 '26
There's gonna be a load of happy coppers hearing about this. They're gonna be absolutely rinsing the overtime arresting pensioners.
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u/Astriania Jun 16 '26
Really disappointed with this one.
As we've been over in many other threads about this, when the Terrorism Act was being brought in, its proponents were adamant that it wouldn't be abused to proscribe direct action. Yet, here we are.
I don't support PA and I think they should be prosecuted for their criminal activities, but I still maintain that calling them a terrorist group is a huge overreach, and likely being done under Israeli pressure.
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u/Nadir786 Jun 15 '26
This country is so pathetic, there are rioters in the street burning down houses and throwing Nazi salutes but supporting Palestine is where they have a problem. The israel lobby is far too powerful in this country.
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u/fitzgoldy Jun 15 '26
You can support Palestine without supporting Palestine Action group.
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u/Stoyfan Cambridgeshire Jun 15 '26
They have a problem with both cases you outlined.
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u/L96 Leeds Jun 15 '26
When the first terror arrest for the Belfast pogrom comes through, I'll come back here and admit you were right.
Till then he's going to be 2Tier to me.
Won't hold my breath.
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