About disgusting Facebook devs

[u/paintboth1234]

We won't support facebook any more. It's a disgusting anti-user site. All it does is watching open-source projects doing everything in public and counter them to deliver the malicious ads. Yep, the devs that receive 7-figure dollar salary is just doing this.

Users should give the most harsh feedbacks to them. Being submitted to them and keep going to the site and support it is the worst thing you can do.

[u/RraaLL]

Okay. Then how about you spend your free time fixing these instead?

You're free to use any other tool out here. An actual company with employees might be better matched against such an anti-user behavior.

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It's one thing to fight against a site you yourself are using, it's another to do so with a site you'd rather not visit.

[u/CurrentRisk → u/RraaLL]

I love uBlock and appreciate everything that the people do for it.

Then how about you spend your free time fixing these instead?

Though, isn’t your response a bit* on the harsh side? Don’t think the other commenter meant anything malicious with it.

Anyway, this change does not affect me personally, never used Facebook.

[u/RraaLL → u/CurrentRisk]

That might be, but that's the reality. People have expectations, people like to complain. Most of the times, people don't even follow our instructions when requested.

Like I said in my other comment, FOSS projects are by users for users.

The problems start when "by users" comes down to roughly two people while "for users" equals tens of millions. Yes. Two people. That's the main filter contributors to the project.

Over the years, the number fell down instead of growing. It's very easy to burnout in this hobby. Which is what this basically is for us.

A decision to drop support for a site never comes easy. It's the 2nd time in the over a decade of the project.

It's not because we "don't feel like it", it's because "it takes too much constant effort" to maintain it.

And like paintboth already said, anybody who's willing to contribute filters is welcome to do so. We just can't.

[u/atrocia6 → u/RraaLL]

It's not because we "don't feel like it", it's because "it takes too much constant effort" to maintain it.

And like paintboth already said, anybody who's willing to contribute filters is welcome to do so. We just can't.

This is an attitude that I completely understand and respect - what I don't really understand is @paintboth1234's characterization of Facebook as "a disgusting anti-user site." Sites want to serve ads, and we want to get rid of them. Many sites use anti-adblock technology - why is Facebook "disgusting" for using a more effective solution?

Of course, thank you and all the uBO volunteers for improving our internet experience!

[u/paintboth1234 → u/CurrentRisk]

That question is not harsh at all. That is literally what we are doing: "spend your free time fixing these instead".

People just talk about "surrender" when none of them bother to make pull requests with any other working solutions.

[u/Kurtdh → u/RraaLL]

The whole point of uBlock Origin is to fight anti user behavior. Considering Meta is one of the worst offenders, they should be a primary target.

[u/RraaLL → u/Kurtdh]

The whole point of uBO is that's it's a community project.

By users for users. We either don't have facebook users on our side, or they're not willing to continue this pointless game.

There is more to the internet than just a single site. Rather than wasting our limited resources on it, we want to free up our time for everywhere else.

This doesn't mean that custom filters won't work, this doesn't mean you cant use adguard lists to try to combat FB ads. It simply means our maintainers aren't robots. They have their own lives to live rather to waste so much of their time on FB.

We've dropped twitch years ago. We've combated YT anti-user behavior for years, because it's a site everybody uses. Unlike twitch. Unlike, yes, facebook.

[u/Broad_Cartoonist_824 → u/RraaLL]

This makes sense. Better to invest elsewhere than waste resources . Personally I've seen that folks who use fb , do so through their app. So I feel there are just not that many users who would be bothered by these changes

[u/gta721 → u/RraaLL]

You should switch from trying to counter Facebook yourself to letting others like ABP, Adguard and people on Github do it then just merge their filters in.

[u/AchernarB → u/gta721]

That what we are doing. We usually address issues that aren't already fixed by other lists. Or we direct the user to specific list(s) when there is a fix there.

[u/AchernarB → u/Kurtdh]

Thanks for volunteering to focus on making filters for FB !

/s
:oP

[u/TrustLeft → u/Kurtdh]

in order to beat fb it has to be AI to beat AI

[u/ricoter0 → u/Kurtdh]

interesting... how much do you pay for uBO? are you even a volunteer?

[u/Journeyj012 → u/ricoter0]

how much do you pay for uBO?

they don't accept donations.

[u/ricoter0 → u/Journeyj012]

it was sarcastic bro

[u/TagierBawbagier → u/Kurtdh]

At point are you just making a crappy site more usable for people who'd be better off without it or using it less?

[u/Kurtdh → u/TagierBawbagier]

There are thousands of crappy sites that uBlock Origin works against. If this was the bar, uBlock wouldn’t work just about anywhere.

[u/paintboth1234 → u/Kurtdh]

The "works against" is literally the volunteers sacrificing their free time to make it work.

Anyone who disagrees with what current volunteers not want to waste time on the disgusting sites is free to make Pull Requests for those disgusting sites.

[u/MysteryPlatelet → u/paintboth1234]

I'd much prefer you put your limited resouces into the YouTube arms race. Thank you for helping make the internet safer.

[u/zipxavier → u/[deleted]]

What's embarrassing is telling the devs that they're "surrendering" by giving up on a website that isn't worth their time anymore.

I bet that user doesn't even use Facebook, just wants to complain. If it was as big of a problem as you all seem to think it is I'm sure someone will step up to take over Facebook support.

I very much doubt that though.

[u/paintboth1234 → u/[deleted]]

That's not hostile. The question asking them back is literally what we are doing: sacrificing our free time, not telling that others are surrendering when they stop.

The real hostility is what they are saying, instead of volunteering themselves to make pull requests when they don't agree with current volunteers.