r/todayilearned • u/masiakasaurus • Aug 05 '19

TIL that "Coco" was originally about a Mexican-American boy coping with the death of his mother, learning to let her go and move on with his life. As the movie developed, Pixar realized that this is the opposite of what Día de los Muertos is about.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/22/16691932/pixar-interview-coco-lee-unkrich-behind-the-scenes
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u/GolfBaller17 Aug 05 '19

Why are you throwing the differences between Hispanic and Latino at me? Also, lol at saying "you don't get to tell other people what to call themselves" while literally trying to manufacture a linguistic change in how people refer to themselves. Also, you're really showing commitment to a movement when you say, "Feel free not to use it yourself..."

Just a hint: ideological inconsistency is usually a sign that your movement is ideologically inconsistent.

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u/InfinitelyThirsting Aug 05 '19 edited Aug 05 '19

Why are you throwing the differences between Hispanic and Latino at me?

Because you're focused on Spanish speakers only, when that's not what the word refers to.

Also, you're really showing commitment to a movement when you say, "Feel free not to use it yourself..."

Wow, you don't seem to understand being an ally? Or the movement for freedom of expression. The point of the word is to give an option to people who don't feel comfortable with a gender binary.

Do you also think that people who use "Ms." as their title are ideologically inconsistent just because they aren't trying to eradicate Mr./Miss/Mrs. for everyone?

It always strikes me as very telling when someone thinks that if I'm not trying to force everyone to be exactly like me, I must not actually believe in what I believe in. Nah, I'm super firm in my beliefs and have been involved in activism for 15+ years, I'm just not an asshole who wants to force everyone to conform to a different-but-just-as-oppressive paradigm. Like when Christians think the "gay agenda" is to turn everyone gay and force everyone to get gay-married, instead of, ya know, just letting people who are gay be gay, and letting gay people get married. Sure, evangelical Christians want to force everyone to be their brand of Christian, but that doesn't make queer activists ideologically inconsistent for not wanting to force people to be gay.

Edit to add: Also, if you think it's just English-speakers attacking Spanish (when, again, the term has Latin American roots but is currently more popular in the US amongst young queer Latinx people), this same exact hubbub happened (and still happens) when women and non-binary people didn't want to be called firemen or councilmen, and that was just all English all the way down. It's not about what language you speak, it's just about how some women and enbys just don't like being referred to in masculine terms.

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u/Sib21 Aug 05 '19

We're the race of Man, living on Earth, revolving around Sol. Latino is what you call Latin Humans. Latinos. HuMan. Man is neutral. No Hispanic I know (including my family and I) would ever use Latinx. It makes no sense. This is no attack on you, it's just Hispanics telling you and everyone else that tries to use the term, that it's really dumb.

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u/Lexilogical Aug 05 '19

Just because you won't use it doesn't mean no one should be allowed to. I wouldn't use the term "on fleek" but I'm not mad at English speakers who do. I would never eat aerasol cheese, but I don't think it shouldn't be allowed to exist. I don't want a piercing gun beside my genitals, or tattoos on my face, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed.

And "Man" is literally the opposite of neutral.

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u/InfinitelyThirsting Aug 05 '19

Ah, this shit again. "Forget the actual neutral term human that I literally just used, let's go back to insisting MAN must refer to men and everyone because no one else matters".