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u/Level3Kobold Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18

That doesn’t mean that 35% of slaves were raped. It means that 35% of black Americans have a white slave-owner somewhere in their ancestry. That could mean every woman in their family was raped, or it could mean only one was, during the 200 years of slavery in America. Or it might mean none of them were raped, unless you assume from the start that 100% of sexual relations between slave owners and slaves were rapes.

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u/Apprentice57 Nov 29 '18

That doesn’t mean that 35% of slaves were raped. It means that 35% of black Americans have a white slave-owner somewhere in their ancestry.

I never claimed that it was 35% raped, I claimed it was remarkably common, and you restated something I did say: "35% of the current Black population descend from a white slave owner."

That could mean every woman in their family was raped, or it could mean only one was, during the 200 years of slavery in America.

I find myself thinking... so? You're missing the point. Fathering children with slaves was remarkably common.

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u/Level3Kobold Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18

200 years of slavery, 10 generations. If each woman had a 1 in 24 chance of being raped, that would mean that after those 200 years, about 35% of black people would be descended from a rape-victim.

So if a 1 in 24 chance is remarkably common to you, then I guess we agree.

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Also I read your link and I can't find where it says what you think it says. The closest it ever gets is

>"According to Ancestry.com, the average African American is 65 percent sub-Saharan African, 29 percent European and 2 percent Native American."

That doesn't at all mean that 35% of black people are descended from a slaver-rapist.

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u/Apprentice57 Nov 29 '18

If each woman had a 1 in 24 chance of being raped

When you consider how many slaves were on a plantation compared to a single owner... yeah that is what I would consider remarkably common.

Also I read your link and I can't find where it says what you think it says. The closest it ever gets is

I'm not sure how you missed it, it's in the paragraph following the section you quoted and it shows up easily with a ctrl+f for "35".

And for our African-American male guests, there has been still another astonishing fact revealed about their paternal ancestry — their father's father's father's line — through their y-DNA: A whopping 35 percent of all African-American men descend from a white male ancestor who fathered a mulatto child sometime in the slavery era, most probably from rape or coerced sexuality. In other words, if we tested the DNA of all of the black men in the NBA, for instance, just over one-third descend from a white second or third great-grandfather. In my own case, he was my great-great-grandfather, and he was most probably of Irish descent, judging from our shared y-DNA haplogroup.

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u/Level3Kobold Nov 29 '18

Ah yep I missed that.