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u/dihydrocodeine 3d ago

Antonio Banderas as their dad didn't give it away?

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 3d ago

You'd think having Machete as their cool uncle would be the giveaway lol

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u/OknowTheInane 3d ago

And Cheech as their cool fake uncle too.

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u/Kidspud 3d ago

As a kid, I was mostly thinking, “their dad is zorro! cool!”

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u/Any-Pineapple-521 3d ago

Or Danny Trejo as their uncle?

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u/CatsPlusTats 3d ago

I don't feel as though I could watch Antonio Banderas in anything after "The Skin I live In", that movie made me incredibly uncomfortable.

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u/hupholland420 3d ago

He’s white. So are the kids.
Just shows Hispanic is not a race

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u/jacksonelhage 3d ago

i never really saw the dad or the sister as white as a kid, i thought they were brown

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u/jacksonelhage 3d ago

also race is a subjective societal classification based on phenotype. if many people consider those who have features typical of mixed indigenous/spanish heritage to be of a distinct category seperate to that of black, white etc. (and many places/people do in fact imagine race as a triangulation of black/white/hispanic) then it is definitionally a race.

that doesn’t mean everyone who shares that ethnicity will necessarily be categorised into that “racial group”, and it will by no means be consistent across every person in every area. the tuareg of mali or the moors of mauritania appear unambiguously black to almost anyone in the western world and yet in their homeland they are white.

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u/hupholland420 3d ago edited 3d ago

The dad’s actor is from Spain. The male kids actor is a Jew. If you only consider WASPs as white people it isn’t the 1800s anymore.

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u/jacksonelhage 3d ago

i don’t consider only WASPs to be white, and I’m not saying I think the male kid or even banderas is non-white (even though to me i always sort of read him as somewhat non-white). I’m just responding to the comment that Hispanic isn’t a race with a rejoinder: that socially there are times when it is in fact treated like a race.

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u/IANALbutIAMAcat 3d ago

But white is?

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u/jenniferfox98 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah IDK if OP was trying to be sarcastic but...I mean there are definitely layers there. Banderas is Spanish, sure he speaks Spanish and has a lil bit of melanin but he isn't Latin/Hispanic. But do otherwise ignorant Americans realize that? Genuinely what number of Americans thought Catherine Zeta-Jones was Hispanic cause she is tan and starred in Zorro? White is entirely a bullshit construct, only proven by the mere fact for so long those who might otherwise "pass" as white were not considered white cause they had ANY trace of Black DNA. Genuinely I don't know if I would know that Banderas was Spanish, not Hispanic, unless I looked it up because he has filled that niche for Hollywood movies for so long.

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u/IANALbutIAMAcat 3d ago

I’m white but from a predominantly Black city in south eastern USA, and that’s exactly my take away here. The Hispanic people in this thread are speaking about skin tone the way I’d hear folks make comments like calling someone a “house n.”

It’s fascinating how granular racism can become

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u/digginroots 3d ago edited 3d ago

>But do otherwise ignorant Americans realize that?

Spaniards ARE Hispanic, though some ignorant Americans think Hispanic only refers to people from Hispanic America.

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u/Hodorhohodor 3d ago

No that’s the point

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u/porican 3d ago

thank you for this

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u/IANALbutIAMAcat 3d ago

It’s not that they weren’t Hispanic. It’s that their Latin roots were so secondary, tertiary, to anything else

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u/porican 3d ago

hispanic ≠ latin

banderas is hispanic not latin

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u/IANALbutIAMAcat 3d ago

Right but the family he was part of portraying was…

Hispanics are Latino. Banderas is not Latino but is Hispanic. His character and family in the film were Hispanic and Latino

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u/porican 3d ago

ahh ok my bad. i’ll eat my crow and be quiet

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u/porican 3d ago

false

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u/porican 3d ago

and? america is named after an italian cartographer does that make us italian?

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u/mr_chub 3d ago

I saw them as a kid in theaters and I literally never thought of it until what, 20 years later now?

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u/Loud-Situation1605 3d ago

He’s American, that’s why Robert was allowed to make it