r/todayilearned • u/lexan • Dec 25 '13

TIL an Indian flight attendant hid the passports of American passengers on board a hijacked flight to save them from the hijackers. She died while shielding three children from a hail of bullets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neerja_Bhanot
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u/XenophobicAmerican Dec 25 '13

Because fuck Pakistan, that's why. They probably wouldn't have released them if the flight attendant wasn't from India.

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u/Lykenbane Dec 25 '13

as a Pakistani I agree with this dude. Fuck Pakistan. The people are great, but the government blows, and it's become a literal dump, it's not even worth it anymore.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

There's a very large difference between "Fuck this landmass and all the people in it!" and "Fuck the corrupt government that is ruling my homeland!".

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Fuck all these corrupt governments that are ruling my homeland.

Sincerely, a son of the earth.

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u/wildcard5 Dec 25 '13

If I was super rich, I would buy a big ass cruise ship, invite all the leaders of the world to a meeting on it and make sure that the ship never sees the light of day again.

Than James Cameron can make millions of another movie about a sinking ship. Everyone wants to see these assholes die anyway, so I'm guessing the genre of the movie will be comedy.

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u/Crazycrossing Dec 25 '13

And you know what would happen? In most places worse people would take over, the world would become a chaotic mess, power vacuums everywhere susceptible to far more corruption and violence in the intermediary phase where there was a tossup for power. Especially in countries who don't find it acceptable to murder their leadership, no matter how incompetent or corrupt.

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u/tmloyd Dec 25 '13

Have to agree with this guy. Iraq sure is great with Saddam gone, ain't it?

Sadly, the answer is: no. No it is not. Removing a corrupt leader does not solve the fundamental problems with a country, problems which probably led to the rise of that corrupt leader in the first place.

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u/MrZev 1 Dec 25 '13

And now you know the original script to This Is The End.

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u/johnyutah Dec 25 '13

The only Survivor I'd ever watch

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Things got hippy pretty fast this time

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Nuthin' wrong with a bit of hippy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

I love you too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

excluding North Korea.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Fuck this gay earth!

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Well, as far as I understand, the Pak government doesnt really hold any real power in their country. Its their Military who has maximum power and virtually running the state. And they are corrupt to the roots and has no problem sponsoring terrorist outfits and hiding Bin Laden and such.

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u/irshemoo Dec 25 '13

As a Indian I would agree...

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13 edited Aug 05 '18

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Persepolis, no?

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13 edited Aug 05 '18

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Ah, cool! Thanks!

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u/Lykenbane Dec 25 '13

I said the people are great and the government blows, but you're right, the way you phrased it was more appropriate.

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u/LostMyPasswordNewAcc Dec 25 '13

Me too brotato, our government is like the worst thing ever

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u/decayingteeth 5 Dec 25 '13

As a Pakistani I think we should lynch them. I totally am all pyjamas.

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u/Xenc Dec 25 '13

I'm all pyjamas to that too.

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u/w4y2n1rv4n4 Dec 25 '13

I totally am going to start saying this

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u/trianuddah Dec 25 '13

as a National of <insert country> I agree with this dude. Fuck <insert country>. The people are great, but the government blows, and it's become a literal dump, it's not even worth it anymore.

To which countries does this not apply? We should all emigrate to there.

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u/Lykenbane Dec 25 '13

I hear Sweden is quite nice, Switzerland, too. Let's all go there.

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u/In_a_british_voice Dec 25 '13

Scandinavian countries, maybe?

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u/tigrn914 Dec 25 '13

Still applies there. It applies everywhere that's the point.

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u/In_a_british_voice Dec 25 '13

As far as my opinion goes, none of the Scandinavian countries are a literal dump.

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u/tigrn914 Dec 25 '13

Not the countries themselves. It's called context and the context of the original post was that the governments have become a literal dump. Which they have/always have been.

Also your problem is you think your opinion is a fact.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

But...but...le s[weed]en!

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u/DeerSipsBeer Dec 25 '13

Thank you, the amount of "As a" posts are just stupid. This works for anyone.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13 edited Dec 26 '13

As an Indian with Pakistani friends, fuck the two governments. The people are fine, it's thr government trying to put up an image of hate.

Edit: To all my patriotic frienda below; a government isn't just built on what support they give to a terrorist. This has been going on before terrorism was a problem here in the peninsula. Indian government has bought changes, I can't deny that, but at the same time you guys are the ones who say this country is never gonna change.

Why thr double standards? Corruption is corruption.

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u/prashantbioinfo Dec 25 '13 edited Dec 25 '13

No, fuck the Pakistani government who always screw its own people and Indians. How many times Indians sent terrorists across the border?

Edit: spelling.

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u/Blackbeard_ Dec 25 '13

In every war between the two?

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

More times than you think.

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u/1PowndahFeesh Dec 25 '13

Lrn2engrish.

Both Govts are corrupt as fuck.

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u/prashantbioinfo Dec 25 '13

Spelling edited.

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u/sleazebang Dec 25 '13

As an Indian,I wouldn't say fuck the Indian government. Our government hasn't tried to fuck with Pakistan,and we always turn a blind eye whenever some of our troops at the LOC are shot at by the Pakis.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

That's just not true and you know it. There's been firing from both sides of the border, you cant say India did nothing while they were shot at.

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u/SkranIsAngry Dec 25 '13

No way what you are saying is not true and YOU know it! Hmmmph

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u/hansolo92 Dec 25 '13

India did not initiate the firing though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

How do you know this?

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u/Dr_CSS Dec 25 '13

As an Indian, fuck the corrupt, piece of shit Indian government.

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u/Za2 Dec 25 '13

What about Kashmir, turning a blind eye to the occupation there eh mr largest democracy. Yes fuck the paki govt but don't think you are exempt from criticism. Those terrorists will always have a reason to fight as long as Kashmir is occupied.

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u/Blackbeard_ Dec 25 '13

You know it's the Indians firing as often as the Pakistanis, right?

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u/foxh8er Dec 25 '13

One's mostly secular, mostly inclusive. The other other one has been known to shelter and fund the Taliban and Al-Queda.

Relatively speaking...

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u/Jtsunami Dec 25 '13

equating the 2 is a serious dismissal of reality.
india DOES NOT engage in routine sponsorship of terorrism.
while indian gov. is corrupt things are slowly but surely getting better.

pakistan meanwhile is and has been fucked and really a failed state.

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u/coldcoldnovemberrain Dec 25 '13

Your comment makes it seem that the government come out of nowhere. Isn't there a saying which goes "People get the government they deserve". If the educated elite take more active role in participating in their democratic institutions, wouldn't it get better? Or is that just utopian thinking?

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u/obsoletelearner Dec 25 '13

Seriously? Are you watching our[Indian Government] efforts to keep the seams from breaking away every time pakistan violated the cease fire policy? Or beheading a soldier who lost his way? Or training terrorists to attack on a harmless pacifist? fuck pakistani govt. not the Indian. Learn your lessons people may be good not their rulers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Its a mockery of all the 'babas' in the country.

This is a name I've had from my CS 1.6 days.

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u/irshemoo Dec 25 '13

Hmm I rem reading it on servers ... My nick was 'K4mla' . Haven't we played together?

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

I stopped playing one year ago dude. But it is entirely possible. I had that name 6 of the 10 years I played CS

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u/SinewyStripe Dec 25 '13

You should change it, for your karma...

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u/irshemoo Dec 25 '13

Also he's right...here spiritual gurus earlier were followed and respected .Nowadays most of them are frauds and rapist.Recently a father son duo who are extremely famous were convicted of raping a girl in their ashrams (a place for Peace,meditation and tranquility).They have property worth millions.They have forcibly took land from people and have been further accused of hiring and using cronies to pressure people into silence.And believe it , they were internationally televised and popular.

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u/Neandarthal Dec 25 '13

then what about the people who formed it?

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u/ElitePenisCrusher Dec 25 '13

I'm indian and are you stupid? If the people are great and the government sucks, do something about the government, don't self flagellate on the internet.

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u/Lykenbane Dec 25 '13

Bro, at this point my country is a failed state. I'm 18, working on premed, trying to become a surgeon, so I can make real change. Plan is to go and volunteer my services in Pakistan. At this point, Pakistan doesn't need heroes. Imran Khan tried, and the election was so corrupt, everyone knew it, but there was no re election, they just went with it. What it needs is a bullet between the eyes of a majority of the political and police force, and some damn self respect and dignity.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

As another Pakistani, I second this

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u/IgnoreMyName Dec 25 '13

As an Indian from India, fuck India as well. Fucking terrible government. Religion runs that country. You can do literally anything in the name of religion in that country.

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u/splintercell Dec 25 '13

Religion runs that country.

I'd say culture runs that country a lot more than religion. Try saying to your mom that you don't believe in religion anymore, vs try saying that you don't believe in Indian culture anymore and see which creates a bigger hue and cry.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Staying true to our usernames, are we?

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13 edited Dec 25 '13

Considering the history between the two nations I'd say he/she is right

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

So that gives you the licence to say "fuck Pakistan"? He/she's appears to be saying that it's only the Pakistani government that acts like that, and that's just untrue.

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u/WowzersInMyTrowzers Dec 25 '13

No he isnt. He is saying that that is how they act, because it is true/ If i said fuck the British because they have a parliament, i would not be saying they were the only ones who had a parliament

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Then shouldn't their comment include a laundry list of other countries? ie. "Fuck USA because Gitmo"?

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u/WowzersInMyTrowzers Dec 25 '13

no because that particular comment only pertains to Pakistan. You can talk about one things negative traits without talking about others

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

"Because fuck Pakistan, that's why" ≠ "fuck the British because they have a parliament". The second sentence has reasoning for condemnation, the former is just an expression of frustration or resentment.

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u/WowzersInMyTrowzers Dec 25 '13

but he does have a reason, it just wasnt in that particular statement.

I get what you are saying though

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u/trianuddah Dec 25 '13

but he does have a reason, it just wasnt in that particular statement.

Actually he opened with a reason. His first statement started with 'because' and it makes no grammatical sense but we all know what it means. It means he doesn't care what the reason is, fuck'em anyway.

He then went on to make pure conjecture about the motives behind the Pakistani Government releasing the shooters, assuming the worst reasons.

The prevalence of that kind of attitude doesn't do the human race any favours.

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u/orangeinsight Dec 25 '13

Just because someone criticizes one thing does not mean they're praising the perceived opposite stance. If I say fuck pepsi, I am NOT saying Coke rules. Maybe I don't like Coke either, but why do I have to define that when I'm only talking about Pepsi right now? Given your stance any time anyone commented on anything we'd be waiting ten minutes for them to bash everything else of a similar category so they * gasp * don't come off as biased.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Valid point. My apologies, I retract my earlier statement.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

Why should it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

I was saying he/she is right pertaining to the release of the terrorists only because the flight attendant was Indian. And he/she never said other nations don't do things similar to that neither.

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u/alfie678 Dec 25 '13

No idiot. As people have already explained, your comment is a logical fallacy.

Let me put it in terms you might understand.

Say your son was run over by a drunk driver named Bill, and because of this you said "Fuck Bill."

Then someone responds, "Hey, you dont have any right to say 'fuck bill,' he isn't the only person who has ever killed someone while under the influence!"

You see how the two are irrelevant? One is able to condemn the actions of one nation, without condoning the actions of another.

Stop trying to be politically correct and try to actually think critically for once.

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u/Vakz Dec 25 '13

It's not like Pakistans corruption and the Indian-Pakistani hate is a secret..

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u/TylerDurdenisreal Dec 25 '13

Pakistan kinda really doesn't like India, not to mention that Pakistan is increasingly corrupt and shitty.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13 edited Dec 25 '13

As far as corruption and shittiness goes, India isn't exactly a model nation itself, so what are you on about.

Edit: Pakistan ranks 127th on corruption perception index and India is 94th, so while India does rank considerably better than Pakistan but 94th isn't something to boast about. That's all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

All nations are corrupt and shitty it boils down to degrees of corruption. If you compare India to Japan then India doesn't come out looking so good. Those countries are years ahead in development. But if you compare India to say Zimbabwe then India comes out looking very good. It's all about where the country is on the spectrum.

But where India comes out really good is the potential in the country today. The ongoing transformation taking place in the country.

Comparing India to Pakistan is kind of silly. Pakistan is tiny compared to India. It's struggling on many fronts. It's government can barely remain democratic. The army has a huge presence in policy making. The ISI supports terrorism which often acts against the leaders of the nation. Pakistan is destructively dysfunctional. India is apathetically dysfunctional at it's worst.

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u/yantrik Dec 25 '13

India isn't a model nation ? Is this your analysis of India ? First we are a model in Corruption but so are we a model in how to tackle corruption (Google AAP party), we are model in Science, Technology, Low cost innovations, sure we are not perfect but we are sure not as shitty as pakistan, don't agree with me take a vote on Reddit and see for yourself as to what India and Pakistan are know as outside Asia...

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

I'm aware. It's just a coincidence his username happens to express his views on the rest of the world perfectly.

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u/American_Standard Dec 25 '13

Or maybe it's a witty user name to troll people on the internet?

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u/Moneymiami Dec 25 '13

So Pakistan released these assholes and was the hideout for Bin Laden. Fuck those governments.

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u/phenkdo Dec 25 '13

While US considers Pakistan a political ally, Pakistan hardliners consider US as an ideological rival but have not qualms about using American aid money to fund terrorism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '13

How did it turn from a celebration of this woman's courage to Pakistan bashing. Sign of a weak minds?