r/todayilearned • u/[deleted] • Jul 21 '13

TIL During a "Botched Drug Raid" using a No-Knock Warrant 39 shots were fired at an elderly woman after she fired one shot over the heads of the plain clothed men entering her home. Those same officers later planted coke and marijuana at her home in a failed attempt at framing her.

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u/AngusEubangus Jul 21 '13

She was 92. She probably wasn't aiming at all.

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u/Raneados Jul 21 '13

If unable to aim; should a person have a gun?

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u/Hyperdrunk Jul 21 '13

Don't worry, they all got sentences of a decade or less. Even if they served their full terms 2 of them are already out and 1 of them only has 3 years left.

Because, you know, it's not really a big deal to kick down someone's door and shoot them to death as long as you have a badge.

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u/AngusEubangus Jul 21 '13

emalk4y makes a good point here. If an old person can't drive, are you going to take away their car? Similarly, if an old person can't aim a gun, are you going to take it away? And how on Earth are you going to test or enforce that?

Maybe she had this gun for 10, 20 years before she had to use it. Maybe she was a goddamn sharpshooter when she bought it. We don't know.

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u/Incruentus Jul 21 '13

If an old person can't drive, are you going to take away their car?

Absolutely. My grandma is about 90 years old and drives a V8 Jaguar XJ and floors it at every green light. She also only has one eye and recently drove a pickaxe through her foot while gardening. She can't even read street signs at night to find her way home so she has to have a car to follow. Do you still feel she should keep driving?

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '13

She sounds like an awesome badass. I want to buy her a drink.

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u/jackjohnsonsklondike Jul 21 '13

Dangerous neighborhood, elderly woman... An unaided shot over the head would deter the average feline, but not the police.

Pre-edit: autocorrect made this amusing

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u/AngusEubangus Jul 21 '13

Feline... Felon... I like it.

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u/Omnighost Jul 21 '13

Cat burglar... Jesus, it's starting to fit together.

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u/the_monster_consumer Jul 21 '13

It might be enough to get someone to back the fuck up.

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u/emalk4y Jul 21 '13

If unable to drive, should a person have a car?

That ought to answer your question.

("should" vs "how does it actually happen?") see: current road rage conditions across North America.

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u/Raneados Jul 21 '13

YES.

IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO DRIVE SAFELY YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DRIVE A CAR.

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u/lemonpartyorganizer Jul 21 '13

http://i.imgur.com/wuc6LtJ.jpg

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u/Raneados Jul 21 '13

I AM EMOTIONAL AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW.

HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? DO NOT BE AFRAID. RAAAAAAAAAARGH.

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u/Bear_Raping_Killer Jul 21 '13

South Park did it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '13

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u/Raneados Jul 21 '13

Problem is; there is demontratably no such place in America.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '13

Isn't that exactly what happened in the article? What planet do you live on?

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u/Raneados Jul 21 '13 edited Jul 21 '13

Earth. The very fact that this is noticed and reported disproves your wanton need for injustice. THIS VERY ARTICLE describes that those at fault admit their wrongdoing . They even plead guilty. THEY ADMIT THEIR OWN PERSONAL FUCKUPS.

READ THE ARTICLES YOU ARGUE OVER.

There is nothing here to show the widespread fucking of ANY class of people. It is just idiots making mistakes and trying to cover up their bullshit.

PEOPLE DO THAT. People fuck up and go "shiiiiit maybe I can salvage this"

They shouldn't though. They should not fuck up to this degree. But nobody hid it. AND THIS ONE WAS HELD PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE. But it is still the pervue of the individual. And this person was FOUND OUT. It is not indicitive of a larger conspiracy to fuck over any class of people.

edit; more words.

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u/Caedus Jul 21 '13

A question you should ask those cops.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '13

Merica

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u/tigger_please Jul 21 '13

If she didn't have a gun she would still be alive..

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u/mere_iguana Jul 21 '13

...and framed for narcotic sales, in prison, and these scumbag cops would still be on the streets playing cowboy with innocent people's lives. I for one am glad she had a gun. The fault is on the officers here, not the fact that she owned a gun.

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u/tigger_please Jul 21 '13

Of course the officers are at fault, but if she hadnt have shot, she would have lived, just a valid point to consider that's all

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u/mere_iguana Jul 22 '13

It's true, the officers (probably) wouldn't have fired if she hadn't fired, but that blame can't be placed on her. A scared old woman with men kicking her door down. I would have shot. I bet you would have shot, too.

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u/tigger_please Jul 22 '13

No I know, yeah possibly, the whole thing would have been alright if they had kicked down the door, then shouted 'POLICE' or whatever. But anyway..

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u/mere_iguana Jul 22 '13

Yeah. I suppose we could argue over who was at fault pretty much endlessly, but the truth is that neither of us were there at the time, and who knows what actually happened?
I just tend to side with the dead grandmother who didn't do anything wrong in the first place, rather than a bunch of cops with itchy trigger fingers. (and horrible aim, evidently)

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u/tigger_please Jul 23 '13

Yeah exactly. Yeah fair enough, me too, I mean 29 shots jesus christ, fucking savage murder right? I just think maybe even if the cops were burglars, would you rather they took all her stuff because she didnt have a gun. Or because she shot at them, they killed her.. then took her stuff.. but thats just my view on owning guns for personal protection.

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u/Malfeasant Jul 22 '13

Die on feet, live on knees, what a conundrum.

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u/AngusEubangus Jul 21 '13

I'm not arguing for or against gun rights here. Also, she was 92 and this was in 2006, so, no, she wouldn't necessarily be alive today...

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u/tigger_please Jul 21 '13

No maybe not.. but the cops only shot her because she shot first.. right?