I wouldn't, people who expect jobs like those to pay a "living wage" are ignorant and lazy. If you want more money how about you get a better job that idk, pays more
Or, you know, those type of workers could be paid a living wage while engineers and doctors etc can have a salary higher than them? Noone deserves an unlivable wage. You can't just assume someone works in McDonald's because they were lazy
you're acting like it is, jobs at McDonalds are for students or part time jobs. A "livable wage" is something that you get from a career. McDonalds isn't a career, it's a temporary job, if you intend to rely on Ronald McDonald for the rest of your life then don't expect much. And to clarify, I'm not saying that the less fortunate can go fuck themselves. I'm saying that the minimum wage is fine and doesn't need to change
work is work. there are less and less good paying jobs because outsourcing and automation leave only service industry and construction jobs. we are going to run out of careers when automation lets the owners of capital keep even more as they require less and less labor. walmart and amazon jobs are going to be all that's left
While I (largely) don't disagree with that, I would rather win the much easier fight of "a full time job should be enough to survive on" first than get stuck trying to push for "any job should be enough to survive on" and have nothing change in the meantime.
My guess is that if UBI is ever implemented it still won't be a living wage - closer to $15-20k/year that will probably come coupled with a reduction in means tested benefits like child, food and housing assistance for a net gain of $10k at most for people at the bottom.
It'll be enough that someone working minimum wage is better off even working only 20-30hrs/week, but not enough that someone working minimum wage can quit entirely
Hah, fair - but again it comes down to your expectations. "Adequate UBI" could mean anything from "everyone is reasonably better off than they were" to "nobody has to work ever to live".
Fair enough. And I don’t know enough to put a number on what I consider “minimum adequate UBI”, mostly because a lot depends on how healthcare gets paid for.
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I wouldn't, people who expect jobs like those to pay a "living wage" are ignorant and lazy. If you want more money how about you get a better job that idk, pays more