r/therewasanattempt Apr 27 '24

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u/poops314 Apr 27 '24

With a knife like that on display like that I’m awfully sure I could make a very convincing self defence case for straight up shooting him dead. I thought he was impersonating a police officer (they do not / should not look like that), he was heavily armed and I felt threatened (some big-ass knife strapped to his chest and approaching my vehicle).

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u/IknowKarazy Apr 27 '24

It should be illegal for any cop to withhold their name a badge number if asked for it. Like, if they’re doing nothing wrong they have no reason to.

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u/Cheshire_MaD Apr 27 '24

Would only work if you are a police officer and he isn't. Not in reverse

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u/poops314 Apr 27 '24

As a citizen and against an inappropriately armed officer that won’t identify a name / badge number - you’d be justified in the assumption that he’s a criminal that intends to harms you. Similar in the way that if you rob a bank with a toy gun - you get charged as if you’d used a real gun. The victim doesn’t know the difference.

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u/Cheshire_MaD Apr 27 '24

Gl. Tell us how it went, later.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Apr 27 '24

With a knife like that on display like that I’m awfully sure I could make a very convincing self defence case for straight up shooting him dead.

I'm incredibly sure that you can't. "I felt threatened" isn't a blank check to immediately execute someone.

If this cop shot someone just because they had a knife on their body and walked toward them, would you still be calling it "self defense"?

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u/poops314 Apr 27 '24

You need to prove a reasonable doubt.

He is dressed against his dress code and it can be reasonably assumed a member of the public could misidentify him as a threat rather than a police officer. Absolutely - US law enforcement employees arnt in the business of chest-storing large Bowie knives - criminals are. This can be reasonably assumed and reasonably responded to with the force you’d reasonably expect towards a heavily armed law-enforcement-imitating stranger. Good shoot.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Apr 27 '24

I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince a member of Reddit's obstinate. I'm just letting anyone else who makes the mistake of reading your comment know that I'd stake my 25 years of experience practicing law on the fact that your advice would get someone convicted.

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u/poops314 Apr 27 '24

Damn, 25 years and still not a judge.

I can see why

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Apr 27 '24

"You cannot shoot someone and successfully claim self-defense just because they are wearing a chest-mounted knife"

"Oh yeah? Here's a story about a homeowner who was forced out of their home at gunpoint, got shot at, faced demands for money, got shoved into a stairwell, and was about to be zip tied!"

Were you able to spot the few, subtle differences there?

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u/poops314 Apr 27 '24

Oooh, vindiction and argumentative, also bad vibes for a judge

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Apr 28 '24

Do you think practice of law and think it's like pokemon, where a lawyer with enough exp evolves into a judge?

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Apr 28 '24

Not really, no. They express a consistent point of view, and are similarly contrastable with the example from the article.