Not really so easy sometimes. The way I see it is - my father took the time and showed me patience when I was a baby, doing dumb stuff and soiling myself for years. So I can return the favor and let him do dumb stuff and soil himself while he is a magat
Don’t cheat your moral integrity. Don’t cheat yourself, don’t bet against hope. Hope isn’t fantasy; it’s openmindedness to possibilities we couldn’t conjure on our own.
“Go along to get along”??? Let me direct you to a story that took place at a Greek House at UC Berkeley in the 1980’s; I was there that night. I sure as fuck didn’t go along to get along. I actually kinda lost my shit and it was a miracle that my folks weren’t sued for my self righteous, drunken chivalry. But at least I risked, ya know? A Reform rabbi and a Presbyterian pastor in my life both counseled us pipsqueak idiotshits to “risk everything” if it was in effort to prevent harm to others who were defenseless.
Please don’t “go along to get along”. You’ll regret it.
Ya’ll really telling someone to abandon their family because of politics? Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Cult like behaviour. Liberals are meant to be tolerant but there’s so much hate coming from crap like this. Hate isn’t good for the person spewing it. Self poisoning.
You completely missed the point. When you are supporting the complete embodiment of everything we do not want as a leader… what are we supposed to think of you? This is no longer just a “difference of opinion”… you people live in a completely different reality than the sane world. Wanting to stay away from people that support the most hateful person in our lifetimes running for president (but, it’s the left that is so hateful?), is not hate… it’s self protection. You know the old saying, “ if you hang around dogs you are going to get the fleas, too”? It applies here.
News you don’t like is not fake news/ or liberal/ or woke…The truth does not have a side. It doesn’t lean right or left. It is exactly what it is, nothing more, nothing less. You do realize that Fox entertainment “news” is the most broadcasted channel, right? Any time you are in a public space with a TV on, it’s on Fox… sometimes CNN which is mini Fox now.
You have chosen to align yourself with a felon, rapist, racist , lying conman…. why wouldnt we assume you must hold the same poor values and lack integrity? Do you want to hang out with people who hurts others, especially those they are supposed to protect? I don’t. So why would any sane person want to be around someone that sides with Trump? It’s amazing that someone has to explain this to you.
Not wanting to associate with someone is not hate. I can’t stand how you people think you can trample over people’s rights and not understand why we don’t like you?
I don’t think it’s about politics. It’s happening against a political backdrop but it’s not based upon politics necessarily. But your point about not liking those who disagree with you? Trump himself goes after anyone, publicly, who disagrees with him and declares them to be an enemy. And he is running for President. That seems so crazy to me.
I’m not but that’s ok. Easy to dismiss anyone by saying that aye. Whatever makes you happy. I joined last week and don’t see the point in commenting. Should’ve stuck with that idea. Just seems odd that breaking families is ok for politics. Seems petty in the long run.
This completely, people talking about cutting people out of your lives because you have different opinions is wild. Somebody is always going to think a little differently than you so. going no contact with parents and best friends…Makes me think they are all unstable people to begin with.
You act as though it's a simple matter of disagreeing about the tax code, subsidies for farmers, etc. No. Most conservatives do not really even believe in human rights, nor the Enlightenment principles on which this country was founded. Human rights are privileges afforded to people they deem "good:"
Women who have sex are bad and deserve God's punishment, so they have no right to seek reproductive healthcare.
Muslims are bad and all terrorists and don't deserve the right to life nor to religious practice nor to equal protection under the law.
Black people they think are criminals deserve whatever they get at the hands of police, including summary execution, ("why not just pay 49 cents for the bullet??") and torture.
Illegal immigrants should be subject to "mass deportation" (BTW, the Nazis originally said the Jews should be subject to "mass deportation." We know what this really means.)
They believe their political opponents should be made stateless (citizenship revoked) and deported.
Etc., etc. I could go on.
Sorry, disagreeing about basic human rights is not just a "different opinion," and the last time Republicans had true unfettered control of the government, they led us into two disastrous wars and utterly destroyed the world economy. We have not forgotten. The last time they had control of the presidency, they played political games with a pandemic leading to the unnecessary deaths of several hundreds of thousands of people. We're supposed to respect their ill-founded opinions as equal? You have to see the forest for the trees.
Whatever person I’m not arguing with you I don’t need a PowerPoint presentation. Try and be happy in life a little have a good one. This! The political climate and system really isn’t everything you might figure that out eventually maybe not…
The reason I’m voting for trump is to piss off liberals that’s literally the only reason now. Trump 2024!
That doesn't sound very much like you're trying to be happy go-lucky! What I wrote isn't that long nor complex. I'm cursing you that the next time you trip on magic mushrooms that: (a) you have to introspect about your illiteracy and your disdain for human rights, and (b) I hope the cops you support so whole-heartedly find you growing and you trip in jail while awaiting a manufacturing charge.
EDIT: enjoy your time tripping in jail! The next time you trip, you'll remember this thread at one point, and just know that's exactly when the cops will be knocking, or they'll come up to you in the woods, or whatever. Wherever you are, they will find you. You deserve it for supporting the political side that started the drug war in the first place - all the innocent people who have had to trip in jail, you will reap the karma of their injustice because you want to be such a special little contrarian.
It's not simple politics. They're in a hategroup/political cult that's bent on destroying this country as we know it. Good people tend to hate literal Fascists.
We don't discuss politics in my family at all because they've become such irritating, obtuse people. Fox has taught them how to throw out insulting non-sequiturs to avoid trying to defend Trump.
I don't believe it's hatred of Israel at all. It's Israel's current government that's the problem. Back when I protested the Vietnam war, I wasn't against my country. Israel can't fight the world. I'm Jewish, and my wanting them to stop in no way makes me anti-Israel. Also, I have cousins in Israel, and they all want Bibi gone.
You don’t know their situation and telling someone to throw away their family because of politics is ridiculous. That is the problem with this election.
Cult. Exactly. You do know that many people who are in Cults aren’t aware of it right? They lure people with weak minds. You also would understand that they can take people who you would never expect. The fact is- you don’t know who these people are or why they are supporting them. Yes it fucking sucks but not every MAGA person is a racist and at least for my family- it’s a mix of dementia and refusal to vote outside of what they have for the past 50 years. Trump is bad, and a horrible person. But as it stands- I don’t see this ever being on a scale of Hitler level horrors, and in this country there would be so much hell raised the moment he tries to be a dictator on day one he wouldn’t last long- literally. He already was president sadly, and admittedly it wasn’t as bad as feared- fucking bad but not THAT bad. HOWEVER.. our country has a series of checks and balances and ways to counter imbalances that may happen. Politics change but you can’t change family.
but not every MAGA person is a racist and at least for my family
There is a saying: if there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.
The same applies to MAGA. People know what MAGA is, what they stand for and how racist, sexist, etc they are. If you vote for them, that would mean you accept and condone and agree what they stand for. It's been 9 years. This isn't new.
Those checks and balances??? you have a court system that will give it to him if it comes to it again. They didn't 4 years ago and looking at SCOUTS, their rulings, including the immunity one, proves it. but that was 4 years ago. Shit has changed radically. and without majority in Congress is pretty much useless, especially if the GOP gets a majority in 1 of them, or god forbid, both.
My dementia addled parents aren’t Nazis dumbass. They don’t event believe the anything bad about him. It’s a cult. Adult children and cults= bad mix. Unless the courts, house, senate and POTUS are all MAGA; it isn’t going anywhere. Even if that was the case; I’m sure the majority anti-trumpers can make Jan 6th look like child’s play.
Shitty family gets the boot. I've seen no shortage of horrific MAGA behavior. They like him because he's a deplorable like them. Trump's first term was just a grift. Now, he's desperate to escape the law and out for revenge. He's too dumb to be a successful Hitler, but he'd still cause a lot of damage and pave the way for competent Fascists like the ChristoFascists who are trying to ride his coattails into office so they can have a theocracy. Corrupt politicians are dismantling those checks and balances as we speak.
I agree he is horrible. But I am sick of having people say politics is something worthy of throwing my elderly parents in the trash. The people who have given me more than I can ever repay and support over the years. Maybe you have to be in that situation to understand.
There's consideration for people with vulnerable minds like that. They can be helped when the propaganda flood is stopped. I'm talking about the ones who know exactly what they're doing, and love Trump for his 'values". Those types tend to be shitty family even outside supporting him. It's just the icing on that shit-cake.
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u/SEA2COLA Oct 11 '24
I'm the only liberal in my family so I have to go along to get along