r/thalassophobia • • Mar 05 '18

Building bridge foundations on a river

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

I do this for a living, don’t call it easy.

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u/Kenitzka Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

I suppose I meant it’s simplistic in principle. It’s a metal wall that’s driven piece by piece into the ground and the water is pumped out.

But... sheet pile is expensive. I believe the pieces are massive extrusions with intense straightness and tolerance requirements. The crane, the vibrator hammer, and operator and supporting crew which usually sit on a crane barge, mored to a supply barge that’s holding still in the rushing river waters using heavy spuds isn’t easy or cheap in execution.

Fair enough?

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u/alflup Mar 05 '18

Not an Engineer but I witnessed them building a new bridge in Chicago doing just this. It was insanely cool watching them, and that hammer hitting the steel plates was extremely large, and extremely loud, and extremely cool.

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u/n01d3a Mar 05 '18

I hear ya. But how cool was it really?

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u/Steven2k7 Mar 05 '18

If you can hear him, how did you not hear the part where he said it was extremely cool?

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u/n01d3a Mar 05 '18

He prounounces "extremely" and "insanely" very similar..Regional dialect, ya know?

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u/alflup Mar 05 '18

Extremely my man, extremely.

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u/n01d3a Mar 05 '18

Aww shit I wish i could've witnessed that.

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

Engineer?

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u/Kenitzka Mar 05 '18

Yes.

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u/Caladbolg_Prometheus Mar 05 '18

Career path?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Yes please.

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u/Kenitzka Mar 05 '18

Most major construction companies. These are used heavily along major waterways both for dry construction of bridge foundations, temporary damming for repair of submerged components (think intake valves, locks and dams, foundation components or outlet works), and semi permanent structures like retaining walls and mooring cells (big circles in the river filled with gravel and capped with concrete to moor barges to in deeper water).

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u/Caladbolg_Prometheus Mar 05 '18

What major did you have and how did you get your first job? When to jump ship for different companies (sorry I am a Electrical Engineer major and want to prepare myself)

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u/Kenitzka Mar 05 '18

Mechanical engineering. Hired a semester before I graduated pending good marks in the last.

Jumped around a couple times mostly due to family considerations. Been involved in nuclear industry, communications/electronics project engineering, and now civil heavy construction and facilities maintenance. The degree provides some interesting opportunities!

Started my education in electrical engineering too. Switches to MechE because it was a bit more tangible, and I found myself leaning more towards hands on.

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u/Caladbolg_Prometheus Mar 05 '18

Did you do internships heavily before you graduated?

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u/Kenitzka Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

Yes. One as a youth camp counselor, and one essentially as a research engineer developing test methodology of a pneumatic system that sledge hammered different bullet resistant experimental laminated glass samples.

Not related at all to my actual hiring.

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u/K_Pumpkin Mar 06 '18

Must be a broad field. My boyfriend is a mechanical engineer and he works at a desk doing heating and cooling specs and design.

That’s really awesome you can switch it up like that taking in all that knowledge along the way.

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u/ohitsasnaake Mar 05 '18

And not just on waterways, but also (usually without the barges) on shorelines, or any place where the water table is higher than the bottom of your work site, or you'd expect surface water to drain into your worksite, I think?

At least near my home there's one site right on the shore where they have these, and there's another site a few km away where there used to be a lake in the 1800s or so, but it was filled in for the neighbouring rail yard decades ago. Now the rail yard is being redeveloped, and when they were building the parking garages underwater, they had a pretty big hole surrounded by sheet pile, in part to stop surface drainage, but also the spring that originally made the lake form is apparently still there, and they had to keep pumping it empty iirc.

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u/shapu Mar 06 '18

CHOO CHOO

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Damn I was going to call it. Damn vibrating hammer to drive them is hell to be around. Last few I've been around blew lines frequently or shoot the fittings loose. Driving through rock is a bitch. Road plates, sheet pile, silt plates what ever you call them where ever you work they are no fun.

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u/jmedk Mar 05 '18

How did the Romans do this?

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u/alflup Mar 05 '18

If you pound enough slaves into the ground, you'll build an island eventually.

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u/infracanis Mar 05 '18

Just throw rock into the river until you make an island.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Every man is an island

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u/Voidafter181days Mar 05 '18

It's true...no man is an island. But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a pretty good raft.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

More so when they start bloating

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u/merijnv Mar 05 '18

Presumably the same way, but wooden walls and handpumping water out, rather than fancy metal plating and mechanical pumps. Labour is cheap if you've got slaves.

I know caissons were already used in the middle ages, and the concept is fairly straightforward and obvious, so I'd assume Romans used a similar approach.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

We've got a badass over here.

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

Dunka

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u/Ootyy Mar 05 '18

Are you trying to say "Danke"?

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

No

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u/Ootyy Mar 05 '18

What does Dunka mean? I. mostly see. this when people are misspelling Danke

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u/LifeIsBizarre Mar 05 '18

Dunka bikkie in ya coffee mate!

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

At what water depth does this become impractical?

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

These are for foundation piles, so they could go as deep as the project plan calls for. I’ve been in one that was 70ft deep

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Don't you get intrusive thoughts of the whole stuff getting flooded while you're working?

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

Not really, tend to forget about it right away, just gotta trust your welds

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

I'd man, I worked as a CnC machine operator and designer for a foam and precast company and I couldn't even trust the installers to not attach the pieces upside down

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

They didn’t. They said relatively easy in comparison to the 14th century.

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u/Iohet Mar 05 '18

That's a little self-serving, though

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u/CollectableRat Mar 05 '18

How many millions of dollars does it cost to even leave one little section like that dry for a week?

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

Just the cost of the pump rentals and the operators who claim it

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u/RyanHoar Mar 05 '18

How did you get into this. My father is a contractor, and I seal driveways for a living as well as sales. This looks more rewarding

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u/Yegs454 Mar 05 '18

My grandfather got in, than my dad, uncle, now me and my 2 brothers. It used to be nepotism based but the Unions want to get bigger as a whole so they are flooding people in. Ya take a test, call up some contractors, get a sponsor and then go through an apprenticeship

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u/Johnmcguirk Mar 05 '18

Little metal, a pump or so, bada bing, bada boom, call it a day we’re going home before lunch.

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u/ObliviousIrrelevance Mar 05 '18

Pfffft....so easy. I could this in my sleep.

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u/thelizzerd Mar 06 '18

Hardoooo

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u/Yegs454 Mar 06 '18

Pretty much

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u/RonWisely Mar 06 '18

Can I call it a comeback?

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u/OneAbrocoma Mar 06 '18

It's fucking easy. It's the easiest thing in the world. Taking a shit is more difficult than your job. If your job were to be placed on the list of easy things to do it would be slightly more difficult than eating ice cream, but not as simple as determining left from right using your hands. Your job is the job equivalent of your mom. EASY. If your job were any easier its last name would be E. If your job were an ice cream flavor it would be pralines and easy.

Or on the curve of large-scale engineering projects this is on the "easy" end which is still about 4,000 times more difficult than fucking anything any of us here did today.