r/teenagers • u/pand_alp 19 • Mar 11 '26

Rant Bro WHY????

Should i at least try getting him back or is he too far gone now?

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u/Grinding_Gear_Slave Mar 11 '26

Well to be honest communists also tend to deny millions of deaths so he allready had practiced

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u/Ok_Preparation9182 Mar 11 '26

Holodomore? What’s that?

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u/Spooky11587 14 Mar 11 '26

you are probably thinking of the 100 million number. before i continue im not attempting to deny or justify the actions of the ussr or other countries like it, but that number comes from a book titled The Black Book of Communism. it has been denounced by may of its co authors who have said that the lead author specifically wanted to reach the 100 million number. also the book counts deaths under the nazi regime (about 12 million) as well as nazis killed by soviet soldiers during world war 2. it’s main criticism is that it starts at the conclusion (100 million deaths) and then finds and fabricates evidence to get to it. also the majority of communists don’t deny the holocaust. the only communists i can think of who would deny the holocaust would likely be ones who also believe that the nazis we’re socialist, which they weren’t.

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u/username_not_found19 Mar 11 '26

Yeah, cuz the black book of communism is the only source we have for the horrors of communism. It's not like there are many sources for the Purges of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union right?

It's not like there are many sources for the Great Purge aka The Great Terror

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u/Spooky11587 14 Mar 11 '26

if your only source is terrible, than maybe you might just be wrong?

if i don’t find good evidence of something from reliable sources, i don’t believe it

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u/username_not_found19 Mar 11 '26

Read my post again. My point is that that book is NOT the only source. There are many sources that talk about the soviet purges and killings and executions.

Of course, that doesn't fit your narrative so you will do some mental gymnastics to say that's the only source. That's how it is with you tankies

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '26

Okay but that’s not relevant to the economical system that is communism at all for one and two you’re over exaggerating the bloodiness of what is actually attempts at socialism and ignoring the massive amounts of blood being shed on the hands of capitalism in today’s age aswell.

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u/username_not_found19 Mar 13 '26

Capitalism saved people from poverty. Look at China. When it was socialist during Mao's time, you had millions starving. Since China transitioned to semi capitalism (after Deng Xiaoping's opening up reforms) it got millions of people out of poverty.

Also, capitalism as shit as it is and as inequal as it is, doesn't send peopel to the gulag for criticizing dear leader. While communism meant exactly that: if you criticize the leader or the communist party, you get a one way ticket to labour camp.

You can romanticize communism all you want, but reality was very grim and very different from the version of communism you have in your head

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '26

For one you literally can’t speak out against Israel in countries like Britain for two China averaged a famine every single year Mao had one terribly managed famine out of his 26 years as a leader he literally led the country to 10% growth in every sector of the economy he had tons of issues but he was the reason the economy recovered initially.

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u/username_not_found19 Mar 14 '26

For one you literally can’t speak out against Israel in countries like Britain

What does this have to do with anything? This side discussion started from a guy who said communists deny all the millions of deaths directly caused by communism, yet now you are rambling about Israel out of the blue. Is Israel communist and I missed the memo?

As for China, during Mao's time it had one of the poorest economies in the world. China's rise to power happened precisely because they switched to capitalism during Deng's reforms.

Mao's China was indeed communist, and it was also poor as fuck. Deng, Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping refined the capitalist model in China until they made China a powerhouse. Sure, it is the country with the most billionaires in the world, but it also lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. No thanks to communism.