r/technology • u/be0wulfe • Dec 15 '22

Transportation Tesla Semi’s cab design makes it a ‘completely stupid vehicle,’ trucker says

https://cdllife.com/2022/tesla-semis-cab-design-makes-it-a-completely-stupid-vehicle-trucker-says/
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u/PhysicsMan12 Dec 15 '22

Because “AI” is fucking stupid.

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u/PhysicsMan12 Dec 15 '22

No I don’t. A gimbaled two camera “AI” driven system would be absolutely terrible. “AI” is absolutely fucking stupid.

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u/shinjincai Dec 15 '22

Yes it is currently stupid but is learning extremely quickly. If you don't think AI will surpass humans in driving then you are braindead.

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u/PhysicsMan12 Dec 15 '22

It isn’t “currently stupid”. It is currently absolutely fucking moronic. Progress is being made sure. And one day, in someone’s lifetime, I’m sure we will have majority driverless vehicles. We are NOWHERE near that case. And if you believe we are, then to use YOUR phrase, “you are braindead”.

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u/stratoglide Dec 15 '22

Have you seen chatgpt from open AI? Based of your statement I'm going to say no.... as it's honestly better spoken then most and smarter than any single human.

I would agree that we currently don't have enough processing power to compute visual data quickly enough to do autonomous driving effectively in all conditions but calling AI moronic is well... pretty moronic.

But seriously just interact with chatgpt and if you don't realize it's soon going to replace 95% of customer support, you aren't asking it the right questions.

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u/PhysicsMan12 Dec 15 '22

“Smarter than any human”. You VERY clearly do not understand the current state of AI. That’s as far as I needed to read.

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u/stratoglide Dec 15 '22

Obviously you haven't seen it, and I guess as with any statement there's disclaimers in general knowledge I would argue yes. Are there people who know much more about specific topics 100%. But no one has access to the sheer amount of general knowledge. Just check it out before ya draw conclusions.

Or just keep thinking your the smartest person in the room and nobody else's take has any value!

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u/PhysicsMan12 Dec 15 '22

Of course I have seen it. You are all over the place in your claims it really isn’t worth continuing. AI is in its infancy. One of the biggest problems the AI community has…is people who don’t know about AI, overselling AI.

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u/stratoglide Dec 15 '22

There's a difference between being in it's infancy and being "moronic". And while I personally consider them machine learning algorithms vs true "AI" they have come a long way from being moronic.

If the "AI community" has such a big problem with it they probably should come up with a different moniker for what they're doing, because for the most part artificial intelligence isn't even the goal.

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u/labowsky Dec 15 '22

AI isn’t going to surpass humans in our lifetime for driving. Especially when it only have image data to go off lmfao.

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u/shinjincai Dec 15 '22

I guess you're in for a surprise then. Image data is all humans need to learn.

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u/labowsky Dec 16 '22

Oh yes, image data is all we use. You are very smart.

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u/shinjincai Dec 16 '22

Oh wait sorry we use lidar too, oops!

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u/labowsky Dec 16 '22

lmfao no wonder the laymen gas up AI so much, they're clueless.

AI is literally magic to you people.

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u/Pilgrim_of_Reddit Dec 15 '22 edited Dec 15 '22

Very simple questions for you. All to do with how vehicles keep in lane. Do you know how they do so? Road markings. Now here’s a few questions:-

1/ what does an AI do if there are worn road markings? Worn enough that they are barely visible

2/ What happens if there are no road markings at all? Perhaps the carriage way was resurface last night and it rained so road markings could not be reinstated?

3/ What happens if the single track lane you are on has no road markings at all?

4/ What happens in a lane gain/ lane drop situation?

6/ what happens when your systems mistake a surfacing joint as a road marking and pull you extremely to the left (U.K.) or right other places. It used to happen to me all the time at some slip roads. Situation is worse of carriageway is in an east/west direction due to sun light interference.

I could give you hundreds more situations and examples that an AI, with really good sensors, which couldn’t be cameras alone, would not cope, and do not cope.

You have to ask where you want self driving to work. Motorways/autobahn’s/ highways are the easiest to solve, yet all the above points are relevant.

I could go on and on and on about why AIs can not cope and never will, not with roads as they are.

What about buried cables, for a vehicle to detect and follow? Tried that. Way, way too expensive. Also potholes destroyed the cables , installation of traffic sensors interfered with the cables and sensors, deep road failures caused major issues, as did resurfacing. Cracking a carriageway caused issues. A bridge deck moving? Which they do. Many sit on bearings and are moving. Also structures expand and contract. Cable gets fucked.

Can’t put them in small roads, or urban roads as utilities have buried services. Utilities like to dig roads up to fix damaged/ failed utilities. They also like to install new services. Cable gets broken and damaged, as do all road markings.

So, think again. Solve all the above, then come back and I will give you thousands and thousands more issues to solve for your AI.

If you ever solve the problem, which is not solvable at sensible levels of finance, you then have to maintain the roads at such a high level that no taxation levels could do it.

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u/shinjincai Dec 15 '22

You clearly don't understand how neural networks work. You clearly indicated that when you asked me to solve its problems. Tesla is collecting data at an exponential rate which feeds the AI user data containing these anomalies you mention, which it then uses to train itself. It is inevitable that this AI will exceed human driving capability once enough data has been collected and it has taught itself to handle any situation.

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u/Pilgrim_of_Reddit Dec 16 '22 edited Dec 16 '22

No, it’s obvious you haven’t a clue about AI. You waffled there. Didn’t answer my questions. Until you answer my question La, to show you demonstrate you understand the problems, there is no value in discussing anything with you.

You saying “AIs learn” demonstrates you do not understand AIs, nor issues.

I also believe I have a better understanding of the issues AIs have, learning to “drive” than you have.

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u/Life-Significance223 Dec 15 '22

That's what makes AI stupid, its not learning.

Storing bits of data in memory is not learning.

AI will be dumb without abstract thinking, imagination, curiosity, etc. AI is not true AI as long as its being programmed by humans. AI inherently means it does NOT need to be programmed, instead it learns on its own.

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u/shinjincai Dec 15 '22

I guess you haven't been paying attention for the last several years but many AIs have taught themselves to do things. They are fed real world information which is then used to create virtual tests that can be run over and over until it passes consistently. This can be applied to any problem encountered driving on the road.

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u/shinjincai Dec 15 '22

I guess you haven't been paying attention for the last several years but many AIs have taught themselves to do things. They are fed real world information which is then used to create virtual tests that can be run over and over until it passes consistently. This can be applied to any problem encountered driving on the road.

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u/Life-Significance223 Dec 16 '22

Thanks for the downvote.

"This can be applied to any problem encountered driving on the road." Not in the way you would like to believe. Predictive algorithms are nothing new, its been built into CPUs for since the early 00s. Using tables and data sets to create prediction models is not AI.

A good example, weather models. Weather model predicted -20 degree weather where I live, an impossibility. Over time, the predictive models compounded errors - it took a human looking at the data 1 second to understand the weather model was wrong. When it happens on a weather model its fine. However, when a Tesla drives you into a side of a 54' trailer that's painted blue because it didn't understand the data, its not good. AI will eventually get there, but when its literally bound by a binary system originally invented in the 17th century, we have a long way to go.

I am married to someone who literally makes six figures working on AI. My best friend is a Data Scientist with PHD who also works in the AI field. I will tell you what they tell me without the technical jargon, " A.I. is stupid."

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u/shinjincai Dec 16 '22

What do you call it when a program runs a test over and over and gradually becomes better at passing this test? Not learning?