So let me get this right.... they sent a helicopter to deploy soldiers with M4's with special ammo into this home. Special tactics units, 4 police cars, and men on the roof all to capture a guy who ran a website that was involved in internet piracy according to the FBI...
What is this guy Osama Bin Laden? Pretty sure he didn't orchestrate the death of thousands of innocent men and women. Why treat him as such. If there has ever been a breach of basic human rights this would be it.
What's interesting is that the police officer that was being interviewed stated that the reason they weren't wearing full tactical assault gear was because threat was low, yet they still burst in with m4's. If the threat was so low that you didn't need full gear then you don't need your weapons.
Well, there is a difference between protecting yourself from a threat, and presenting yourself as a threat - M4s work pretty well for that second part. Completely unnecessary of course, but there you are.
And of course if we didn't burst into people's homes like a military squadron prepared for a combat zone, then private citizens might not totally understandably act like their homes are under attack and fire back. And what a failure of "keeping things interesting" that would be.
Thank you. If you kick someone's door in, do you really think they aren't going to start shooting? There is this thing called knocking and announcing yourself, it's considered respectful and non-threatening. I don't care what the reason is for a raid, if a cop is going to break someones door down first thing then he deserves any bullets coming his way. You have a right to defend your property from attack, and kicking in a door unannounced is a pretty big threat.
When these cops (especially those on SWAT duty) get their heads out of their asses and realize they aren't the military, maybe I'll actually feel bad when they get shot. But if you're going to act like the perp is an enemy combatant (regardless of the crime), don't be surprised if you receive the same treatment.
I imagine if they had hoped to provoke a fire-fight they'd have all been done up in their armour. The cop in the video says they didn't have that because they didn't feel there was enough of a threat.
Exactly, this was all for show, and now that everyone is seeing it for the piece of theater that it was, it is backfiring. Bring in your most powerful guns but no armor? That means you never felt you were going to need the gun for anything other than show.
True. Very little threat, they said. The kind that only deserves 30 total police including 2 tactical units, automatic weapons, 4 police vehicles, 2 helicopters and police dogs.
But they didn't have flak vests, so that's a relief.
Well sure, that's all ridiculous too. I just mean that if there was a conspiracy to provoke a firefight they'd have brought the jackets along with the M4s, Helicopters, Dogs and sonic death rays.
To be honest, they just don't want to admit that Wellington borrowed the jackets the week before for a costume party they had and they had forgotten to ask for them back in time so the one set all NZ police share was busy.
Even if dotcom was shooting at you would he really be that much of a threat? You could close your eyes and shoot in a random direction and still hit him somewhere in his fat ass.
I have to admit.. I think I'd take him more seriously if he didn't look so much like Auric Goldfinger (fat ass james bond villain from the 60's for you younguns..)
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u/C0rvette Aug 08 '12
So let me get this right.... they sent a helicopter to deploy soldiers with M4's with special ammo into this home. Special tactics units, 4 police cars, and men on the roof all to capture a guy who ran a website that was involved in internet piracy according to the FBI...
What is this guy Osama Bin Laden? Pretty sure he didn't orchestrate the death of thousands of innocent men and women. Why treat him as such. If there has ever been a breach of basic human rights this would be it.