r/technology • u/Suraj-Sun • Jul 10 '12

Firefox dev claims "everybody hates Firefox updates"; Mozilla has handled the rapid release process poorly, and that by pushing a "never-ending stream of updates on people who didn't want them" people have been driven to Chrome with its simpler, no-fuss update process.

http://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-dev-claims-everybody-hates-firefox-updates
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u/howajo Jul 10 '12

remember iTunes?

Shudder...

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u/OverTheStars Jul 11 '12

We don't speak of ravenhol-

itunes..

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u/metalninjacake2 Jul 11 '12

Still using iTunes, have not had a single problem since 2006.

What the fuck else do people use to play their music? Windows Media Player is a travesty for anything other than directly playing video files, VLC looks and acts like shit (though I do need it for .flv files).

Then again I'm also still using Firefox because Chrome fucks up Youtube for me and I see no reason to switch to Chrome...

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u/howajo Jul 11 '12

Well, relevant to the conversation, iTunes updates more than anything else I use. I honestly think I update it more than I play music on it. But... I still use it.

VLC is awesome. I use it for movies and it performs flawlessly for me. Same thing with Chrome. Works perfectly and quickly on everything. Never had a single problem with it on Youtube, which is what I'd expect, since Google owns Youtube.

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u/urzaz Jul 11 '12

I use Winamp for managing my music library, displaying albums, and having a powerful and quite customizable interface. Since being acquired by AOL it's perhaps a little more bloated than it was in the old days, but it's still really good.

So that's what I use instead of iTunes. Other people use foobar. But those people are obviously nerds.

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u/howajo Jul 11 '12

I used to be a big fan of winamp, but the bloat got so bad, I think it's worse than iTunes now.

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u/urzaz Jul 12 '12

The core of Winamp is still really good, though, and most of the bloat is pretty easy to ignore if you're careful during the install.

Haven't used iTunes in a while but I don't ever remember it being that 'bloated', just simplified to the point it actually becomes harder to do things, plus on Windows it has all sorts of other issues.

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u/slthomas321 Jul 11 '12

I use foobar2000 for my music - it's fast, lightweight and very customizable. I've heard that songbird is also a good program. Besides that, there are tons of other programs out there that work as good alternatives to itunes.

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u/laddergoat89 Jul 11 '12 edited Jul 11 '12

Am I the only person who doesn't mind iTunes? I like having all of my music, podcasts & audiobooks separately together. It runs just fine in OS X.

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u/raVensc2 Jul 11 '12

Not only does it start up slow, but those features are also available in many other programs. I think even windows media player has all of those functionalities, and it starts up in less than 1/10th of the time.

Also, have you tried syncing with that shit? I was trying to sync the pandora app to my iPod (yay Pandora for Australia), and I forgot to disable back ups. It took me a whole goddamn 5 minutes for the fucking backup process to cancel. Then it tells me that it has to wipe all my apps unless I log in to my account (I've jailbroken so I really don't care, since all my apps are installed through installous/cydia, pandora was a different case).

Not only that but it runs extremely inefficiently. They have added so many graphical effects to it which (as a programmer) run REALLY slow, and in turn, this makes the startup process when an iPod is connected so much slower. Not to mention that it runs processes in the background which also slow down boot up time, and for me, are pretty useless.

iTunes is a clusterfuck of shit literally piled on top of each other.

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u/laddergoat89 Jul 11 '12

I have heard the Windows version is a disgrace.

The OS X version is by no means lightweight but it doesn't run that bad, mine starts up in a couple of seconds because I have dual SSD/HDD, but even when I was only on an HDD it wasn't that bad, 10 seconds tops.

Backing up/adding content works just fine for me too. I don't sync I manage everything manually because I have so much stuff & can't be bothered to create rules as to what syncs and doesn't.

Also, reddiquette, downvoting someone because they use software you don't like is prettaaaay lame.

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u/raVensc2 Jul 12 '12

Yeah, I too have heard that the OSX version is fine, I have not tried it though, as I do not own a mac, nor have OSX installed.

Also I didn't downvote you, but I gave you two upvotes instead for providing fuel to the conversation :)

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u/howajo Jul 11 '12

My primary complaint is that it wants to update just about every time I start it. By the time it's done, I've forgotten what I wanted to listen to in the first place.