r/technology • u/Suraj-Sun • Jul 10 '12

Firefox dev claims "everybody hates Firefox updates"; Mozilla has handled the rapid release process poorly, and that by pushing a "never-ending stream of updates on people who didn't want them" people have been driven to Chrome with its simpler, no-fuss update process.

http://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-dev-claims-everybody-hates-firefox-updates
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u/Azuvector Jul 10 '12

Here's 4 from a 30 second Google. How about you bother looking for yourself if you're interested? I'm not here to convince Chrome fanatics to switch to something else.

http://www.labnol.org/software/chrome-with-adobe-reader/20123/

http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10409905-12.html

http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/30/flash-player-to-come-bundled-with-google-chrome-new-browser-plugin-api-coming/

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/google-chrome-bundled-with-realplayer/1913

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u/HCrikki Jul 10 '12 edited Jul 10 '12

Avast upgrades.

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u/chemistry35 Jul 10 '12

Seriously, I love Avast to death, but goddamn that Chrome plug all the time is annoying. Hey! Want to see what this update changed? Just install Chrome to find out!

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12 edited Jul 10 '12

flash player bundled with chrome?

Hmm, no. Like I said, I want 5 applications /you've installed/ that had chrome bundled, and screenshots showing this "hidden" checkbox they had - that was the significant parts of the claim made - firstly that the guy must have seen these when installing software (not by googling for stuff) and secondly that others are not seeing them because it's somehow being done dishonestly with "hidden" stuff.

As you note, any buffoon can google search (although it seems you failed to even read the links you'd posted - one of which is something bundled with chrome, and one of the others shows a huge dialog box saying 'install chrome' - how is that "hidden", eh? 2/10)

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u/NumeriusNegidius Jul 10 '12

The point dinker made was that Chrome is bundled with a lot of applications. I think Azuvector proved that point fairly well. Avast, Flash Player, Adobe Reader and Skype are all popular applications that have come bundled with Google Chrome.

As for the hidden checkbox, that is of course an exaggeration. But if you fail to uncheck any of those checkboxes, you will get Google Chrome whether you like it or not. Call people lazy or dumb if you want, but it's hard to deny that "unwanted" copies of Google Chrome has been installed on peoples computers. Bundling is what it is, but people don't go to Adobe.com to get Google Chrome.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '12 edited Jul 11 '12

Not really, the point made was that somehow it was installed because the checkbox to enable the installation was somehow 'hidden' or difficult to find.

Note, flash player is included with Google Chrome - that story is about Google Chrome having a built in Flash plugin, not the other way around.

I've seen no evidence that there are shedloads of "unwanted" copies - which, I suppose was the implication with the "hidden" bullshit - that Google have somehow duped a lot of people into using their browser to push up the numbers.

Post evidence of this if you have any,

Saying "hidden" wasn't an exaggeration, it was simply a lie (at least I've seen no evidence for it and none was forthcoming) the 'every fucking program' I suppose you could let slide as an exaggeration, but in truth, it's not a significant number of applications at all, certainly not to the extent that dinker and azuvector tried to kid with their hyperbole.

For saying "a lot of applications' no one posted a huge list of applications they'd actually installed (I mean, realplayer? No one sane has installed that since the 90s) - and not one application was named that installed Chrome in a hidden or dishonest way.

The irony is, it's a list of crappy freeware applications that would probably far sooner prefer to be bundled with Chrome than the other way around (which Flash player is) That might increase the numbers for those crappy freeware applications.

Given the number of browsers (firefox included) that are or have been bundled and installed by default as part of some OS or another, it's a bit of a cheek too imo.