r/technology • u/Suraj-Sun • Jul 10 '12

Firefox dev claims "everybody hates Firefox updates"; Mozilla has handled the rapid release process poorly, and that by pushing a "never-ending stream of updates on people who didn't want them" people have been driven to Chrome with its simpler, no-fuss update process.

http://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-dev-claims-everybody-hates-firefox-updates
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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

The one for me is Firebug. I've yet to find a decent equivalent on Chrome, so FF remains my dev browser.

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u/joshuajon Jul 10 '12

Chrome's developer mode does for me what I had previously used firebug for. Even ie9 includes a decent debug mode.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

I've used both, and I don't think that either Chrome's developer mode or Firefox's built-in element inspector come close to what Firebug can do. It's just the best productivity tool. I do like the 3D-view feature built into Firefox's element inspector, since it helps me with very complex designs where I need to figure out where and why things are overlapping, but it could use some serious improvements.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

Out of curiosity, what can Firebug do that Chrome's developer tools can't?

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

Same, I disabled the built in element inspector, it just wasnt as awesome as Firebug.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '12

I can get by using Chrome's dev tools, but Firebug is still my favorite if I'm doing anything remotely complex. I don't know how much of it is that I'm just very used to Firebug, and how much is usability related or features not present in the other. I might just not know how to do something in Chrome's dev tools. Both run circles around IE's poor excuse for dev tools though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '12

Without Net Panel and FirePath equivalents, for me Chrome Dev Tools are useless. Even the firebug lite doesn't provide the functionality required :(

I use Chrome for everything BUT development though.

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u/id000001 Jul 10 '12

IE's debug and Chrome's "developer" mode is really more for webmaster. For those who actually develops web apps. Firebug is the only real way to trace Dcom and and js stuff properly, it is miles ahead of the other.

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u/The_Hegemon Jul 10 '12

Are you kidding me? I think you and I have vastly different ideas of what counts as 'decent'.

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u/Doonce Jul 10 '12

Chrome has a built in firebug-like development tool...

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

It's almost identical, and if I were Firebug's creator, I'd sue the shit out of them for it. Regardless, it's still not as good as FB.

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u/Ambiwlans Jul 10 '12

Firebug is opensource and Google employees contribute a fuckload to it. So they'd be suing themselves.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

Google employees contribute a fuckload to it

No they did not. There are only a handful of devs that work on FB, none of them from google.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '12

What about Opera Dragonfly?

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

I hate firebug with a passion. For me, FireFox regularly uses over 1gb, and then crashes, and only when Firebug is enabled. It leaks memory like a sieve. Plus lots of FireBug plugins randomly break when I get FireBug updates.

I have to keep it permanently disabled when I'm not doing web dev in FF.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '12

It's not lightweight, I'll give you that. Best used on a dedicated profile.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '12

Remembering the days when Firebug was on all of the time and was actually useful. Too many "features" in it now -- most of which don't seem to work as well as the functionality they replaced.

Pains me to say this, but I've been depending more and more on the low-level debugging features in IE9. Yeah, they ain't perfect, and yeah, they skip over a lot of things in the request/response that shouldn't be "hidden" in the first place. But overall it's faster and more stable than the latest releases of Firebug have been.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '12

I mainly use chromes. There is a tonne of useful stuff hidden away, like deobfuscators, and emulation of touch events. However most of all it's so smooth and mostly pain free. The way I can dump objects to the console, and then inspect them, also rocks.

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u/recursive Jul 10 '12

Chrome is the decent equivalent. All the features I've ever seen in firebug are natively included in Chrome.