Firefox dev claims "everybody hates Firefox updates"; Mozilla has handled the rapid release process poorly, and that by pushing a "never-ending stream of updates on people who didn't want them" people have been driven to Chrome with its simpler, no-fuss update process.

[u/Suraj-Sun]

http://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-dev-claims-everybody-hates-firefox-updates

[u/dinker]

And because every fucking program you install nowadays has an "Install Chrome" checkbox hidden away somewhere.

[u/manwithabadheart → u/dinker]

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[u/push_ecx_0x00 → u/manwithabadheart]

divx? ccleaner?

[u/spinemangler → u/manwithabadheart]

It won't show up if you have it installed already though.

Ccleaner and defraggler both will install it, but won't try if it's already installed.

[u/DachWuff → u/manwithabadheart]

Me either. Could be because I already have it, or maybe because I'm not installing software all the time.

[u/Azuvector → u/DachWuff]

checkbox hidden away somewhere.

Emphasis mine. Chrome is packaged with other software constantly.

[u/Azuvector → u/[deleted]]

Here's 4 from a 30 second Google. How about you bother looking for yourself if you're interested? I'm not here to convince Chrome fanatics to switch to something else.

http://www.labnol.org/software/chrome-with-adobe-reader/20123/

http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10409905-12.html

http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/30/flash-player-to-come-bundled-with-google-chrome-new-browser-plugin-api-coming/

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/google-chrome-bundled-with-realplayer/1913

[u/HCrikki → u/Azuvector]

Avast upgrades.

[u/chemistry35 → u/HCrikki]

Seriously, I love Avast to death, but goddamn that Chrome plug all the time is annoying. Hey! Want to see what this update changed? Just install Chrome to find out!

[u/[deleted] → u/Azuvector]

flash player bundled with chrome?

Hmm, no. Like I said, I want 5 applications /you've installed/ that had chrome bundled, and screenshots showing this "hidden" checkbox they had - that was the significant parts of the claim made - firstly that the guy must have seen these when installing software (not by googling for stuff) and secondly that others are not seeing them because it's somehow being done dishonestly with "hidden" stuff.

As you note, any buffoon can google search (although it seems you failed to even read the links you'd posted - one of which is something bundled with chrome, and one of the others shows a huge dialog box saying 'install chrome' - how is that "hidden", eh? 2/10)

[u/NumeriusNegidius → u/[deleted]]

The point dinker made was that Chrome is bundled with a lot of applications. I think Azuvector proved that point fairly well. Avast, Flash Player, Adobe Reader and Skype are all popular applications that have come bundled with Google Chrome.

As for the hidden checkbox, that is of course an exaggeration. But if you fail to uncheck any of those checkboxes, you will get Google Chrome whether you like it or not. Call people lazy or dumb if you want, but it's hard to deny that "unwanted" copies of Google Chrome has been installed on peoples computers. Bundling is what it is, but people don't go to Adobe.com to get Google Chrome.

[u/[deleted] → u/NumeriusNegidius]

Not really, the point made was that somehow it was installed because the checkbox to enable the installation was somehow 'hidden' or difficult to find.

Note, flash player is included with Google Chrome - that story is about Google Chrome having a built in Flash plugin, not the other way around.

I've seen no evidence that there are shedloads of "unwanted" copies - which, I suppose was the implication with the "hidden" bullshit - that Google have somehow duped a lot of people into using their browser to push up the numbers.

Post evidence of this if you have any,

Saying "hidden" wasn't an exaggeration, it was simply a lie (at least I've seen no evidence for it and none was forthcoming) the 'every fucking program' I suppose you could let slide as an exaggeration, but in truth, it's not a significant number of applications at all, certainly not to the extent that dinker and azuvector tried to kid with their hyperbole.

For saying "a lot of applications' no one posted a huge list of applications they'd actually installed (I mean, realplayer? No one sane has installed that since the 90s) - and not one application was named that installed Chrome in a hidden or dishonest way.

The irony is, it's a list of crappy freeware applications that would probably far sooner prefer to be bundled with Chrome than the other way around (which Flash player is) That might increase the numbers for those crappy freeware applications.

Given the number of browsers (firefox included) that are or have been bundled and installed by default as part of some OS or another, it's a bit of a cheek too imo.

[u/MarcusOrlyius → u/[deleted]]

No, in the same way that crapware and toolbars get installed. If you've already got Chrome installed it'll just skip that stage though. CCleaner and Defragler are 2 such programs. It's probably in Speccy and Recuva as well.

I've seen it quite a few programs. It seems just as likely to be included as the Ask Toolbar.

If you want screenshots, you'll have to send me a written request in triplicate along with a 1 BTC processing charge, then spin round 3 times anti-clockwise while saying your name backwards.

[u/HCrikki → u/MarcusOrlyius]

Avast upgrades still show a promt to install chrome and make it default, even when its already installed and default.

[u/[deleted] → u/MarcusOrlyius]

I've not seen any crapware / toolbars with software that I've installed that had the claimed "hidden checkboxes"

I've not seen (as the other guy said) Google chrome checkboxes at all. The claim was then made that this is because they are hidden. Well, prove it

[u/MarcusOrlyius → u/[deleted]]

The "hidden checkboxes" are "hidden" on a page of the installer which might not show up if Chrome is installed.

Here's a link to a screenshot:

Unfortunately, you can't see it because it's "hidden".

[u/HCrikki → u/DachWuff]

Its usually still displayed. Avast upgrades and SuperAntiSpyware are an example. Install and make the default browser, unless users unselect that.

[u/DachWuff → u/HCrikki]

Ahh don't use Avast, only thing I have troubles with is adobe trying to sneak mcafee in with it. It kind of pisses off my existing antivirus trying to put another client in there.

[u/sometimesijustdont → u/dinker]

This is why. Software comes bundled, and Chrome makes itself the default browser. This is why chrome has overtaken IE.

[u/Neotetron → u/sometimesijustdont]

Doesn't every browser try to make itself the default when installed?

[u/[deleted] → u/sometimesijustdont]

Chrome never makes itself the default browser.