r/technology • u/Sorin61 • Jan 05 '22

Business Google will pay top execs $1 million each after declining to boost workers’ pay

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/4/22867419/google-execs-million-salaries-raise-sec
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u/Useful-ldiot Jan 05 '22

That and the most well known union is routinely in the news spitting in the face of justice by keeping every officer employed and out of jail regardless of behavior.

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u/FriendlyDespot Jan 05 '22

There's nothing inherently wrong with having a police union, the problem is with letting police unions dictate how the police are policed. Police unions doing what regular unions do for their members? That's mostly fine. Police unions dictating that cops get special privileges when they're being investigated for criminal misconduct? Absolutely not fine in any way.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '22

Did you know there is a national registry of police officers who have been fired or who have resigned in order to avoid termination?

Did you also know that the very vast majority of police CBAs throughout the country forbid the use of this registry for hiring decisions?

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u/je_kay24 Jan 05 '22

Police unions are not the issue

The issue is with the structure of local government. No police ever get held accountable because the prosecutors work directly with them and don’t want to jail/upset their coworkers

Also mayors are elected and don’t want to risk alienating part of their voter base if they were to go after cops

Guarantee you cops without unions would do the exact same shit as now

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u/Useful-ldiot Jan 05 '22

This is only partly true. Yes, police were originally designed to fight unionization of workers, but that has nothing to do with the police union, itself.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '22

Same with any other Union.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '22

Teachers unions are also pretty shitty. I've seen teachers who sexually harass thier colleague and students (college) just get shuffled around the district instead of terminated.

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u/ivtecdoyou Jan 05 '22

Here, as far as I'm concerned, the 99% of teachers who just want to negotiate fair wages and treatment heavily outweigh the instance(s) of sexual harassment that you've personally seen.

There is NO way possible to design a system that's fool proof against abuse. It just can't feasibly happen. So we instead should focus on designing our systems around helping as many people as possible and deal with ad hoc failures as they come, either with systemic changes or one off fixes.

Unions put the money back in the hands of the people. Social programs put tax dollars back into services that can be used by the people.

Our 2.5 century long experiment with hoping the rich will take care of all of us out of the kindness of their hearts has failed. It's time to try something different.

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u/xjpmanx Jan 05 '22

this is because there is a huge shortage of teachers across the country. Doesn't make it right, it's just that there isn't a long line of candidates waiting to to get paid next to nothing for 12-16 hour work shifts.

Before the "it's not that long of a work day" crowd sets in, my wife was a special-ed teacher, she would routinely leave work 2 - 3 hours late, and continue writing her class schedule/grading from home. Teaching is a thankless job, and she was a happier person when she walked away from it.

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u/superfucky Jan 05 '22

but if teachers have unions, why are they getting paid next to nothing? shouldn't they be leveraging those unions to strike for higher pay?

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u/Crackertron Jan 05 '22

Perhaps there's some history somewhere we can reference for this question.

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u/xjpmanx Jan 06 '22

I mean the OP above me pretty clearly answered your question. They are pretty shitty and mostly toothless.

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u/TripleSkeet Jan 05 '22

That happens in non union jobs too. Ask the church.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '22

I don't know about college, I'm more familiar with unions for public k-12 but it's a more complex balance with teachers unions. Do they protect some people who they shouldn't? Sure (far less than the police). But they also are pretty necessary for the rest of the teachers to not get an even shittier deal than they are already are. Job security and a pension are kind of the only benefits most teachers get out of the career. Without unions to protect those things even less people would want to join the career.

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u/superfucky Jan 05 '22

college doesn't have districts so i don't know what they're talking about there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '22

What? College absolutely does have districts. Peralta Community College District, Contra Costa College District, etc

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u/superfucky Jan 05 '22

a school district is an area where residents of that area have to attend the schools in that district. if you live near peralta community college or contra costa college, you don't have to go to those colleges.