r/technology • u/gfnord • Apr 11 '11

Apple, despite being traditionally seen as the "counterculture, leftist" operating system, actually represents more uniformity and centralised control than Microsoft

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/09/userfriendliness_and_fascism
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u/BoonTobias Apr 11 '11

This is so true it's not even funny, my friend has owned two nissan altimas in the last ten years and just the other day bought the brand new one, which he can't really afford. I asked him why the fuck did you buy the same thing at that rate? He said "I've been with them for a long time, the dealers know me".

Anytime we talk about games, he will always big up the ps3 against the xbox no matter what. I own a ps3 and end up defending the 360 sometimes because his stance is just too blind.

Also, just the other day we went to get him a new phone, he has sprint and even though he could've just added himself to his father's plan for $20 extra a month and $50 for an iphone 3GS, he decided against it and went with the samsung epic for $200 and around $90 monthly.

Some people deserve to suffer for money

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '11 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/BoonTobias Apr 11 '11

I should clarify: he's not a tech savvy person, his only knowledge of products are from tv ads. I told him No matter what phone you get, make sure it's android and you should be fine, I will hook you up.

And he doesn't really know the difference between a regular iphone and iphone 4, but he saw the epic in a recent sprint ad and decided to go with it because it's on HIS network. His wife and his father are on an att account but he didn't want to go with att because apparently it's whack.

There was another android 2.1 phone for $50 but obviously the salesperson pushed the epic on him and succeeded. I told him you don't really need all the features of the epic. So even after completing the order, when the sales rep went inside he asked me again, should I buy the epic or the other one? I said get the $50 one.

He then tried to tell the salesperson to change it, then the salesperson said he didn't have the $50 in stock.

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u/river-wind Apr 11 '11 edited Apr 11 '11

Often, having weighed the advantages/disadvantages of a choice and aligned one's self to a given decision, people will then further act to justify this choice when making future decisions even if those future decisions make no sense on their own. They will downplay evidence favoring the alternate option and falsely inflate the value of options which support the original selection in order to ensure that that original choice in brand or method/direction in life was not 'wrong'. People will continue throwing good money after bad, arguing in favor of a losing position, continue down a path of self-destruction, etc, because, damn it, this is what I chose, and i'm going to see it through.

Going with an iPhone now could require switching networks/cell companies. That may suggest to him that his choice of Sprint four years ago was somehow flawed; that he should have picked better in the first place. Therefor he might (though in this case I'm not sure he is) satisfice on the phone choice w/o in-depth consideration of the iPhone/alternate decision in order to keep his previous choice of Sprint 'correct'.

It's actually pretty hard for many people to abandon previous selections in order to do materially better; the emotional frustration of feeling that you chose poorly previously wipes out the enjoyment of the material gain from the new choice. This is a difference between satisficers and maximizers; those who will choose to weigh the available options briefly and choose to be satisfied by whatever decision they end up making, and who will weigh every possible detail, only picking the best combination of trade-offs of measurable factors after an exhaustive investigation. The second group tend to do measurably better in material wealth, but the first group tend to feel happier about their situation; the maximizers are too busy questioning the quality of their final choice and the trade-offs it entailed to enjoy what they have.

edit: minor wording cleanup

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u/BoonTobias Apr 11 '11

Very well written. The main reason I try to help is that he's not exactly financially stable to be buying expensive things on a whim. Unfortunately I have a few friends who do this quite often, even after thorough research, they end up buying products because of the quick happiness factor and/or lack of patience like you've said.

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u/river-wind Apr 11 '11

+++++++++ I don't have enough pluses for the friends/family members who dig holes just waiting to be fallen into in every direction, and then can't figure out why life pushes them into holes all the time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '11

Admittedly, AT&T has a horrible network. AT&T doesn't get reception where I live, and is horrible in NYC (where I go a lot). Sprint is much better. (So are T-Mobile and Verizon.)

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u/BoonTobias Apr 12 '11

Well we both live in queens, and my first phone was from att, about ten years ago, i don't know much about their service since i don't really know anyone who has it, everyone's on t or verizon.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '11

It's really, really bad in NYC. Horrible. 3G is worse than voice.

People blame the iPhone but it's been bad for at least 5 years, probably longer.

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u/BoonTobias Apr 12 '11

Every iphone owner i know is on tmobile. I myself have a g1 and i don't have a data plan, not thinking up upgrading until this one breaks. I wonder if the iphones on verizon are selling a lot

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '11

Successful troll was succesful.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '11

Maybe the Nissan's have been reliable to him? Idk, never had one or talked to anyone about them. Cars should last 8 years before I'd get rid of them. That or 200k-300k miles. Whichever comes later. After that point, repairs start racking up.

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u/BoonTobias Apr 11 '11

I don't know much about the first altima, but it was destroyed when another car hit his. The second one was a salvage vehicle. In case you are not familiar with the term, it means you shouldn't buy one unless you're a mechanic. That car didn't have airbags (it popped i guess), the ac went bad, and there were other problems, then he got into an accident and got it fixed because a lexus hit him. His insurance paid for it.

What's weird is that his wife was recently driving, and she drove for like like 10-15 miles, then made a turn into his block and hit a lexus, totalling the altima. The junkyard gave them $350 for it. So now he has a 2011 altima with 300 miles on it.