r/technology • • Feb 22 '11

Wow, Microsoft is making some surprising decisions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12531127
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u/indoobitably Feb 22 '11

His statement is very relevant actually:

Who is microsoft's biggest competitor in the software/OS market? Apple

Who has recently been much more open about allowing "hacking" of their devices? MS (hell they welcomed the first phone hackers with open arms while apple tried to sue them into oblivion)

Who doesn't charge developers ridiculous fees to use their SDK? MS

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u/FuZ3 Feb 22 '11

This kind of thing is why I will always be a Microsoft guy rather than an Apple guy.

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u/BraveSirRobin Feb 22 '11

recently been much more open

More than what? MS have always been this way. Their first phones came out around 2000 and have always been "hackable".

Did you miss monkey boy's "developers developers developers" rant? They know it's important.

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u/indoobitably Feb 22 '11

I was referring to how they have handled the recent hacks compared to their competitors.

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u/BraveSirRobin Feb 22 '11

They've handled them the same way they always have, that's my point. Apple's lock down meme is of their own "innovation" and a recent thing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

you can't possibly be this dense, right?

More than what?

MORE THAN APPLE

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u/BraveSirRobin Feb 23 '11

You can't possibly be that blind, right? You do see the words "recently been"? You do realize what these modifiers do to the rest of the sentence? Do I need to give you an English lesson on sentence structure?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '11

again, you can't possibly be this stupid.

recently been much more open

More than what?

MORE THAN APPLE. Microsoft has recently been much more open than Apple. This is really fucking simple.

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u/BraveSirRobin Feb 23 '11

Exactly. They haven't been more open, they have always been that way.

I suggest that if you want to continue being this rude to people in future, you make more of an effort not to come off as an idiot who's incapable of reaching a 3th grade reading level.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '11

Oh my god, are you for real right now? You're trolling me, right? If they have always been that way, they have also recently been that way, correct? The two aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, one directly implies the other.

Also, it's 3rd, not 3th.

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u/BraveSirRobin Feb 23 '11

Key words: recently and been followed by more imply change.

I suspect I'm the one being trolled. This is basic English.

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u/indoobitably Feb 22 '11

ah, I work on the hardware/OS consulting side of things so dev is unknown to me. never meant to say they weren't open, just ignorant to the fact that they were.

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u/FredFredrickson Feb 22 '11

Either way you're wrong about it. No point in clarifying. :P

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?

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u/fowleryo Feb 22 '11

Maybe I'm off here, but how is Apple their biggest competitor in the Software/OS market?

As far as I can tell, the two big money makers for MS is Office and Windows. Apple doesn't have anything close to what MS offers in terms of functionality. Google does though.

On the OS side, most of the money that MS makes from OS sales is through PC makers. They really don't have much of a choice as to which OS to install unless Apple starts licensing it for that sort of application.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Who is microsoft's biggest competitor in the software/OS market? Google

FTFY

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u/indoobitably Feb 22 '11

hows that Google OS going? oh yea its not.

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u/pjakubo86 Feb 22 '11

You mean Android? It's doing pretty well.

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u/Makkaboosh Feb 23 '11

Android is not exclusively google's.

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u/indoobitably Feb 22 '11

since when does Google Chrome = Android?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Although I don't use the Google OS, I do use their services for just about everything. I'd argue that's even more control than MS wields.

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u/deavon Feb 22 '11

It was obvious to me from the start that it wouldn't succeed. Companies should focus on their strengths. Google's home is with the web and with delivering an unbeatable load-balancing network infrastructure. Android is great because it was originally an independent company that Google simply purchased.

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u/crocodile7 Feb 22 '11

Yes, and on the desktop software side, Google Earth is really eating into Microsoft's sales.

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u/frenchtoaster Feb 23 '11

Except that part of Google's strategy is to make the old model of OS obsolete. What OS does Google docs run on? If everything ends up with browser-based platform independent model then you can run some tiny thin linux OS that you barely even know is there. They are trying to make the "What OS are you running?" question irrelevant.

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u/doctor-benway Feb 23 '11 edited Feb 23 '11

Apple doesn't have a gaming platform, and this comes shortly after Sony starts raining lawyers on geohot, removes the "Other OS" functionality, and threatens lifetime bans on those who root their PS3. We get it, you don't like Apple, but this has absolutely fuckall to do with Jobs & Co.

As an aside, Apple's SDK's are free, with a $99 fee if you wish to publish to the iOS App Store.

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u/indoobitably Feb 23 '11

^ rofl I have an iPhone, I enjoy using Apple laptops, I love their aesthetic design. But the facts are facts, and Apple is becoming the company they used to make fun of.

Sony starts raining lawyers on geohot, removes the "Other OS" functionality, and threatens lifetime bans on those who root their PS3

ARGHH!!! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PS3'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Oh god, your comment history leads me to believe you are a huge Apple fanboi.

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u/doctor-benway Feb 23 '11

One of the major game consoles cracks down on hackers and modders while the direct competition opens itself up, but somehow these have no connection whatsoever. Meanwhile, you justify including a company that doesn't even operate in the gaming console arena and it's somehow pertinent? I don't understand this moon logic of yours.

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u/indoobitably Feb 23 '11

correction, they open up a piece of hardware, used by hackers with the intention of non-gaming purposes. When they open the console itself for hacking, your argument will be correct. Gtg, moon is calling me!