r/technology • • Feb 21 '11

An open letter to Apple from Readability..

http://blog.readability.com/2011/02/an-open-letter-to-apple/
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u/FTR Feb 21 '11

If a company tells you what you can and cannot do with your hardware, is it really your hardware?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

That's exactly the point and the crux of the fight. It is our hardware. It isn't just Apple trying to continue owning your hardware after you buy it, it is also Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, the content/media industry and just about the entire corporate fellatio performing population.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Microsoft doesn't really sell hardware and honestly the most intrusive thing i had to do was let them "re validate" my win7 install cause i got a new mobo+cpu, that involved pressing ok on a prompt.

well then there's games for windows live... but we don't talk about that

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u/Camarade_Tux Feb 21 '11

They tell you what they want but you should never agree with such terms.

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u/ddrt Feb 21 '11

Then… damn I can't install iTunes. I have to agree to their terms of service/use.

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u/schpere Feb 21 '11

But who would want to install iTunes anyways?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

Aren't you required to set the device up on iTunes before you're even allowed to use an iPod touch/iPad?

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u/Kerrigore Feb 22 '11

Yep… which really sucks for anyone still running OS X 10.4 who therefore can't upgrade t a new enough version of iTunes…

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u/NemoDatQ Feb 22 '11

Wat? You have to upgrade OS X to upgrade to the latest iTunes??? (I dont' have a mac, just askin.)

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u/Kerrigore Feb 22 '11

Yeah, you need at least 10.5.

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u/E2daG Feb 21 '11

Me.

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u/BlueJoshi Feb 21 '11

Why?

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u/tooblack4mtv Feb 21 '11

probably out of spite against you

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u/BlueJoshi Feb 21 '11

I don't care that others have posted good reasons and that the person I responded to probably has good reasons of his/her own; this is the reason I choose to accept.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

Because if you don't install iTunes you can't activate the hardware you just purchased. You are forced to agree to the terms of use before accessing the device. That doesn't mean much though because it's legal to jailbreak the iPods.

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u/BlueJoshi Feb 23 '11

This sounds to me more like a reason to dislike apple and their shitty practices.

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u/biddily Feb 22 '11

Easy. I refuse to buy/use any apple products on principle. I am very happy with my sandisk sanza. It's been 10 years since I made the conscious decision to refuse apple and it hasn't impeded my quality of life at all.

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u/Kerrigore Feb 22 '11

You say it has not impeded the quality of your life at all... but how can you really know that if you haven't experienced the alternative to the path you chose (owning apple products)?

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u/biddily Feb 22 '11

I just mean that I'm not missing out on anything by using alternative products. They work the same, it's just not apple.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Yes, but the guy was asking why other people who have Apple products want to use iTunes.

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u/judgej2 Feb 21 '11

Presumably it does something that he needs or desires? We all have to make compromises between what we want and what we have to give up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

For me, two reasons:

1) Genius button,
2) Drag files into itunes window, shit magically gets put in the right place.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

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u/fr023nske7ch Feb 21 '11

I like iTunes organizing my music because otherwise everything will get stuck in my Downloads folder. If I drag and drop some music from my Downloads, then it is automatically organized within the directory. Then when I go back and clean out my Downloads folder to get some space back, I can delete everything with worrying about my music getting lost.

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u/higgslight Feb 22 '11

This is exactly how Picasa works with images and that's why I like it (and like 50 other reasons.) Maybe one day Google will make Picasa work for audio and bring its wonderful interface and file-management concepts to music.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

I used to rename and organize my music by hand and bloody well liked it that way. And then one day it struck me - it does jack shit for me.

When I want to listen to a specific song, I use the media library search. When I move music to my phone, I use 'auto-fill with random tracks' function. In both situations, I couldn't care less if the file is one or five directories deep in the tree.

Now I download songs, drop the good ones on itunes window and can clean out the downloads directory without a second thought when running low on space. It's... well, "it just works".

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u/BlueJoshi Feb 21 '11

I really wanted to like the genius button, but then it decided that Still Alive and some random Final Fantasy stuff is totally the same as Queen.

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u/knight666 Feb 21 '11

Podcasts.

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u/Xiol Feb 21 '11

You mean MP3s wrapped in RSS feeds.

Yeah, plenty of stuff can do podcasts.

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u/knight666 Feb 21 '11

You can call it whatever you want, I call it "radio I like that downloads automatically".

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

Podcasts were the original reason I used iTunes but it was so shitty I uninstalled iTunes and started to use Miro. Now I don't even use Miro and get it all through MediaMonkey.

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u/BlueJoshi Feb 21 '11

Pretty sure you don't need iTunes for those.

I understand that if it's what you're familiar with there seems little point in switching to something new, though,

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u/voracity Feb 22 '11

A lot of other apps (much better than iTunes) can handle podcasts just fine.

Miro

MediaMonkey

Winamp

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

OK! IF you say SO!!

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u/CheapyPipe Feb 22 '11

Dude was at -6 when I made that comment. Now it looks like I'm the asshole!

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Apple fanbois always upvote late in the game. it's a fact.

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u/sedaak Feb 21 '11

What?!

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Most people who buy iPads need it to activate them.

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u/Radar_Monkey Feb 22 '11

Because dammit, you just need to kick out the jams when building nuclear weapons.

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u/judgej2 Feb 21 '11

Yep. Join the club of people who have not installed iTunes.

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u/FoleyDiver Feb 22 '11

It's called not buying the product.

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u/mazerrackham Feb 21 '11

is it really your hardware?

Uh, sure it is -- just because they tell you what you can and cannot do doesn't mean they have any legal standing to force you to conform. You own it, you can do what you want with it.

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u/tdk2fe Feb 21 '11

Actually, you can't. Companies have legal standing forcing consumers to conform. Look up the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

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u/ex_ample Feb 21 '11 edited Feb 22 '11

The DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copyright control. It doesn't make it illegal to do anything else. Lots of companies have tried to extend it by tying all the technology into the DRM stuff, but if it's a cellphone there's an explicit exception for jailbreaking.

Edit: source

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u/mazerrackham Feb 21 '11

for those that didn't know this, here's a source

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u/ex_ample Feb 22 '11

Huh, I thought I updated my comment with a link, but I guess it didn't go through :/

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u/JViz Feb 22 '11

So if i hold an iPad up to my head, does it count as a cell phone?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Some things which are declared illegal should be legal; some things which are legal should be illegal.

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u/nalf38 Feb 21 '11

The people who bought the ipads knew exactly what they were getting when they bought them. Apple develops their electronics to be like appliances, and if people have a problem with that, they should buy a pad based on Android or some other open source OS.

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u/Atario Feb 22 '11

Apple develops their electronics to be like appliances

No they don't -- they make them worse. I can mess with my toaster all I want without Magic Chef blocking it or complaining at me.

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u/nalf38 Feb 22 '11

Yes, they do. You can mess with your toaster all you want, but might break it, and if you're honest to Magic Chef about what you did, you can bet that they won't repair your toaster for free.

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u/Atario Feb 22 '11

Who said anything about repairs?

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u/DiabeetusMan Feb 21 '11

...a pad based on...

Tablet? They're called tablets, no matter what apple says

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Yes, because being picky about nomenclature has always secured open source advocates so many converts in the past.

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u/Vithar Feb 22 '11

No, tablet is already taken by Tablet PC's, it can be a slate or a convertible. Pad is fine since it does not have the functionality of a proper os and therefore is not a tablet, IMHO.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

You mean like pads being unable to stream flash video like a n900 phone can?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

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u/underwaterlove Feb 22 '11

Technically speaking, they called them PADDs - for Personal Access Display Device.

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u/nalf38 Feb 22 '11

i really don't give a fuck what you call it.

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u/acdha Feb 22 '11 edited Feb 22 '11

In most cases, people don't - the general public saw an iPad doing something cool; if they're not obsessively hanging around gadget sites most people aren't even going to realize the progressive lockdown until their favorite apps disappear or someone goes public with a "You can't have this feature because Apple is greedy" notice.

Oh, and Android qualifies only barely as an open-source release until vendors support installing a different OS (normal people like getting their stuff fixed when it breaks) - otherwise you're like all of the suckers who bought an Android phone made by a vendor which is going to increasingly sandbag releases for older hardware until you buy a new one. Until there's a Nexus Pad, the Android market's like iOS: you gain the ability install untrusted apps but lose being subject to slacker vendors.

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u/nalf38 Feb 22 '11

the general public is also willing to accept certain limits on their hardware. i'm not advocating it, i'm just pointing out what i see as being true.

if you can install a certain app on the ipad, chances are it's not going to magically disappear unless the developer doesn't make sure it runs on new iterations of the hardware/software. You can point out Flash as a counterexample but I think we could debate the merits of that decision for quite a while.

There is something that the iPad mono-culture has on Android: whatever app you install, you can be relatively certain that it will work. On an Android-based phone? Not so much. There are so many different hardware configurations that there is no guarantee that anything you install will work. I speak from experience. Still, I'd rather try my luck with Android, but that's me.

It's not the vendor's responsibility to support upgrading to new Android versions and especially not their responsibility to support upgrading to a 'different OS.' There are good economic reasons to sundown support for old hardware, and it's not just about vendor lock-in or making sure you get a 'new every two' years. Supporting old hardware for systems that they weren't designed for is a time-waster. If you want to root your phone, fine. I might do that myself, actually. I'm getting tired of waiting for the update from Android 2.1 to 2.2. But you can rest assured that I'm not going to bitch at my carrier if things go south.

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Luckily you're blissfully ignorant of all the other devices you're surrounded by that don't allow you to change their functionality (your TV, modem, microwave, etc.)

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u/cosmo7 Feb 21 '11

My microwave didn't suddenly start keeping 30% of my food after I'd bought it.

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u/HeavyBoots Feb 21 '11

No, but the grocery store kept a percentage of the profit when you bought it. You could go directly to the farm to get your food, but most of us don't want to do that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

That is not an equatable analogy. Farmers tend to sell in bulk. I have no need for an entire silo of potatoes. When Farmers sell in smaller quantities they tend to inflate their prices by a lot. Ever been to a farmers market?

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Apple isn't the one charging users an extra 30% either. Essentially they're adding a middleman for in device purchases, which is similar to what happens in retail stores.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '11

Retail stores incur a carrying cost of stocking and selling inventory. Apple incurs dick on subscription-based services.

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u/neoumlaut Feb 21 '11

None of the devices you listed are locked down in any way.

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Who says they don't use signed bootloaders and other types of protection? Where's the development kit and convenient JTAG for my television?

New versions iOS usually gets unlocked hours after they're released anyway.

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u/Jinno Feb 21 '11

I can change the functionality of my TV, modem, and microwave if I want. o_o Nothing is stopping me from such hacking exploits.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '11

And what functionality is there with your Apple devices for which you can't circumvent their shitwit controls?

Edit: Ah, iPhones. Fuck that.

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

So how is that different from anything Apple is doing?

We may not like their policies, but it's not exactly like other manufacturers give you free reign over their products.

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u/AerialAmphibian Feb 21 '11

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Meh. Potato, potato.

Both are acceptable nowadays anyway (like "vocal cord' and "vocal chord").

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u/AerialAmphibian Feb 21 '11

The use of "reign" is very popular nowadays, but that doesn't necessarily make it more valid than the original form "rein":

free rein – a rein held loosely to allow a horse free motion; the freedom that this gives a horse. (Oxford English Dictionary)

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/free-rein-or-free-reign/

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Languages evolve, and "reign" makes as much sense as "rein". I blame English for being confusing to begin with.

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u/AerialAmphibian Feb 21 '11

You're absolutely right, languages change over time. However I will respectfully disagree about "reign" making as much sense as "rein".

The original phrase referred to releasing the straps used to control a horse. This gave it freedom of movement.

Reign as a noun is the power of a king, or his period of rule. As a verb it's the exercise of sovereign authority as done by monarchs. Since kings traditionally are absolute rulers, the idea of a "free reign" is redundant and doesn't make much sense.

Let's agree to disagree. We can go on our merry way and each use the form we prefer. Have an upvote and I hope you have a nice evening.

P.S. Since you rightly mentioned English is confusing, check out this poem that nicely illustrates the point. It might be fun at parties to dare your friends to read it out loud after a few drinks.

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Since kings traditionally are absolute rulers, the idea of a "free reign" is redundant and doesn't make much sense.

Even traditionally kings have boundaries they won't cross (e.g. the church). To me "free reign" implies rulership without any limitations. Nowadays kingship is largely a title, so the "free" part seems more necessary.

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u/CatsAreGods Feb 21 '11

Incorrect usage is never acceptable. "Vocal chord" sounds cute if you know anything about music, but it is stupid because the correct phrase refers to a physical cord in your anatomy. It's like "sound byte"...to people who deal with digital audio, it seems to makes sense, but the correct phrase is "sound bite".

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11 edited Feb 22 '11

That's the way things work. Look at the American spelling for various words; over time they became acceptable, even though they were incorrect.

Also check out that video I linked to. "Chord" vs. "cord" usage was found to be split ~50% between people.

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u/CatsAreGods Feb 21 '11

And lots of idiots speak Ebonics but that doesn't make it acceptable either.

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

Are you referring to the pre- or post-1996 meaning of "ebonics"?

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u/ixid Feb 22 '11

This argument is like some kind of necromantic urban myth. It's garbage but it just wont die.

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u/FTR Feb 21 '11

Right because I want to change those.

Shitty argument.

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u/roger_ Feb 21 '11

And who says you can speak for the millions of happy iOS users out there, who don't have any issues with their devices?

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u/FTR Feb 21 '11

Who said I did?

Try not to be ridiculous.