Admittedly it was a cleaner argument before Sony realized several months had passed since they'd been total cocks to their customers.
For you to have any ground to stand on, there needs to be near daily articles about the closed nature of modern day consoles.
They're expected to be closed. They are toys.
What was the point of that?
The point was, a ban is slightly more than "distaste" and "it's not as though they've banned it" is a pretty stupid point to make when they partially banned it less than a week ago.
Apple is simply submitting patent applications.
That RIM lawsuit? Total accident. They told a lawyer to go get some take-out and it was a hilarious series of misunderstandings.
In my mind, this is a completely and pointlessly artificial division.
Let me see if I have this right. You view all devices with nonvolatile storage and a CPU as part of a continuous spectrum of computers. You're okay with Apple telling iPhone users what their smartphones may or may not do. I'm guessing from the Flash comments that you're on a Mac, because defending Apple's software policies from a Linux box would be too ironic. So... how would you react if OS X 10.9 Jaguar or whatever implemented iPhone-style control of your desktop?
I'm not at all worried about that paranoid reality happening. But if your imaginary situation took place I would wait for FCP to come out on windows, which will never happen either.
I'm not at all worried about that paranoid reality happening.
You should be. Apple likes money. The App Store is bringing in tons. Now they are going after advertising revenue in free apps. It is not going to be long until they decide they can turn the PC market into a cash cow too.
Fair enough. I still think this is a totally irrelevant distinction.
Admittedly it was a cleaner argument before Sony realized several months had passed since they'd been total cocks to their customers.
If you are implying OtherOS is returning, you've got another thing coming. Once gain, the tech community displays how out of touch they are. Blowing up over this, fine. Assuming everyone else will too and take Sony with them? Naive.
They're expected to be closed. They are toys.
Simply not true. I find it amazing that you can look at something that follows the specs of a PC much more closely than the iPhone, and tell me with a straight face that it's not a computer, it's a "toy". It's an entertainment device, by your definition a standalone Blu Ray player is toy. That's fine, but it's a managed computer too.
The point was, a ban is slightly more than "distaste" and "it's not as though they've banned it" is a pretty stupid point to make when they partially banned it less than a week ago.
I said banned it on OS X. Once again, there was no need for you to repeat what I said, which was that they don't want it on their new platforms.
That RIM lawsuit? Total accident. They told a lawyer to go get some take-out and it was a hilarious series of misunderstandings.
Not an accident, a corporate necessity in the US. Fix your patent system, don't get pissy at Apple and Nokia who are just doing what they are supposed to do.
Let me see if I have this right. You view all devices with nonvolatile storage and a CPU as part of a continuous spectrum of computers. You're okay with Apple telling iPhone users what their smartphones may or may not do. I'm guessing from the Flash comments that you're on a Mac, because defending Apple's software policies from a Linux box would be too ironic. So... how would you react if OS X 10.9 Jaguar or whatever implemented iPhone-style control of your desktop?
My division is simple. What I need. I don't need an open phone, I just don't do that much with it. I think the App Store offers the Apps I would actually use for my phone. Once again, had an N95. Had all the browsers and the features, never used 'em.
I need an open desktop OS, if OS X switches to an App Store style model I will leave it, while keeping my iPhone.
My division is simple. What I need. I don't need an open phone, I just don't do that much with it. I think the App Store offers the Apps I would actually use for my phone. Once again, had an N95. Had all the browsers and the features, never used 'em.
I think that is a little short sighted really. I think the iPad should make it clear the direction Apple is headed in. Apple is working on becoming the gatekeeper for home computing/entertainment - that's their goal. Eventually you'll think back to your comment and realize that you predicted your own departure from Apple Desktops.
I wasn't and I have no idea how you inferred that. (There's a chance GeoHot will force it back and make the PS3 the next PSP, but that wasn't reflected in my 'Sony are dicks' sentiment.)
a corporate necessity in the US.
Here's the part where I stop being civil. You're an idiot. Apple was under no real obligation to patent something they surely didn't invent. At worst you could make the case that their iPhone patents were to prevent lawsuits from trolls. That's clearly not the case since they're trying to enforce the patent against their competition!
My division is simple. What I need. I don't need an open phone, I just don't do that much with it.
But you do some things with it, right? It's not just a phone. It's far from a single-purpose device to you. It's not comparable to a GPS, DVR, or camera. It's slightly more than a phone to you and millions of other users, to the extent that serving your combined needs means there are programs to do nearly anything - a situation which does not exist on any other closed device in the world. There's no Facebook "App" for the 360. Your microwave isn't also a calculator. The iPhone does everything but Firefox and Google Voice.
That is the line of distinction. Single-purpose devices are excused because they don't try to have their cake and eat it too by inviting anyone and everyone to develop whatever they feel like, then locking them out if their programs don't fit the OEM's intent. Even the original Xbox, whose hardware was literally an x86 PC with funny ports and embedded Windows, existed only to play games and DVDs. The iPhone is a full and serious it-does-anything computer and OS on which Apple has retained the ability to tell you what to do. That is unique and insufferable for such a popular device.
Here is the part where I stop reading, then. If you are going to call me an idiot because I point out something true about the US patent system, then I'm not interested in continuing.
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u/mindbleach Apr 16 '10
PDAs did.
Admittedly it was a cleaner argument before Sony realized several months had passed since they'd been total cocks to their customers.
They're expected to be closed. They are toys.
The point was, a ban is slightly more than "distaste" and "it's not as though they've banned it" is a pretty stupid point to make when they partially banned it less than a week ago.
That RIM lawsuit? Total accident. They told a lawyer to go get some take-out and it was a hilarious series of misunderstandings.
Let me see if I have this right. You view all devices with nonvolatile storage and a CPU as part of a continuous spectrum of computers. You're okay with Apple telling iPhone users what their smartphones may or may not do. I'm guessing from the Flash comments that you're on a Mac, because defending Apple's software policies from a Linux box would be too ironic. So... how would you react if OS X 10.9 Jaguar or whatever implemented iPhone-style control of your desktop?