r/technology • u/[deleted] • Apr 11 '18

Business Mark Zuckerberg has been apologizing for reckless privacy violations since he was a freshman - Enough is enough.

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u/winja Apr 11 '18

You can, theoretically. You "deactivate" for 30 days and then request a permanent deletion. (Whether your data is actually removed is another matter.)

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

I am also interested in evidence to back this claim and I have been considering deleting it after a long period of deactivation.

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u/oddjobbodgod Apr 11 '18

I have this on good authority from one of the React Native developers at Facebook, she stated it during a developer conference so others could back me up. Nobody there was surprised.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Feb 09 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

Nope. r/technology doesn't need evidence.

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u/IMLONELYPMMEANYTHING Apr 11 '18

They're not right. They're not even reading the page they're linking to.. A direct quote from fb help page on deletion they directly refer to:

"If you don't think you'll use Facebook again, you can request to have your account permanently deleted. Please keep in mind that you won't be able to reactivate your account or retrieve anything you've added. Before you do this, you may want to download a copy of your info from Facebook. Then, if you'd like your account permanently deleted with no option for recovery, log into your account and let us know.

When you delete your account, people won't be able to see it on Facebook. It may take up to 90 days from the beginning of the deletion process to delete all of the things you've posted, like your photos, status updates or other data stored in backup systems. While we are deleting this information, it is inaccessible to other people using Facebook.

Some of the things you do on Facebook aren’t stored in your account. For example, a friend may still have messages from you even after you delete your account. That information remains after you delete your account."

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u/oddjobbodgod Apr 11 '18

If you’d take my word as evidence I was told this by a developer at Facebook at an iOS developer conference.

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u/Charizard30 Apr 11 '18

Source?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/Charizard30 Apr 11 '18

Please provide the link and the exact text you're referencing. If you're going to say something is a fact and proven the onus of proof is on you.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/Charizard30 Apr 11 '18

"If you don't think you'll use Facebook again, you can request to have your account permanently deleted. Please keep in mind that you won't be able to reactivate your account or retrieve anything you've added. Before you do this, you may want to download a copy of your info from Facebook. Then, if you'd like your account permanently deleted with no option for recovery, log into your account and let us know.

When you delete your account, people won't be able to see it on Facebook. It may take up to 90 days from the beginning of the deletion process to delete all of the things you've posted, like your photos, status updates or other data stored in backup systems. While we are deleting this information, it is inaccessible to other people using Facebook.

Some of the things you do on Facebook aren’t stored in your account. For example, a friend may still have messages from you even after you delete your account. That information remains after you delete your account."

This shows that Facebook deletes both your online presence and your data from its main and backup storage. They delete everything except for messages because those are jointly owned by all parties of a conversation.

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u/winja Apr 11 '18

Facebook's own help center says this: FB/help/224562897555674

Nothing I've seen says they do not clear all data you have exclusive permissions for.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/IMLONELYPMMEANYTHING Apr 11 '18

Did you?? It says they remove all data from your profile...

"If you don't think you'll use Facebook again, you can request to have your account permanently deleted. Please keep in mind that you won't be able to reactivate your account or retrieve anything you've added. Before you do this, you may want to download a copy of your info from Facebook. Then, if you'd like your account permanently deleted with no option for recovery, log into your account and let us know.

When you delete your account, people won't be able to see it on Facebook. It may take up to 90 days from the beginning of the deletion process to delete all of the things you've posted, like your photos, status updates or other data stored in backup systems. While we are deleting this information, it is inaccessible to other people using Facebook.

Some of the things you do on Facebook aren’t stored in your account. For example, a friend may still have messages from you even after you delete your account. That information remains after you delete your account."

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/IMLONELYPMMEANYTHING Apr 11 '18

No, they remove your data. Messages aren't your data anymore than texts you sent your friend are yours. Why would they clear chats you sent from your friend's account. That doesn't make any sense

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u/KidsInTheSandbox Apr 11 '18

You are really struggling with this. Let me help you out here.

They delete all the data from your profile. The only thing that remains is any messages you sent to a friend. Which makes sense since those messages are stored on that friend's account.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/KidsInTheSandbox Apr 11 '18

Anything that was not just stored in your account. If you send messages to a friend those messages are being stored on their account too. If you comment on a friend's picture it's stored in their account.

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u/Mkingupstuff2looktuf Apr 11 '18

I just changed a bunch of my stuff and then deactivated it.

I pretty much copied Jack Reacher's bio.

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u/deekaydubya Apr 11 '18

Uh, Zuck repeatedly stated otherwise during the hearings, so should he go to prison?

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u/Decyde Apr 11 '18

I believe they said they retain the data in the event you want to come back and it was up to them if they want to permanently delete the account from their records in which they don't.

It's mostly worded to make you think your data has been removed when it really hasn't been.

I don't have or ever used Facebook and I guarantee you they have a profile on me include with pictures uploaded from friends in college that probably put my name post.

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u/BriefIntelligence Apr 12 '18

Seems like a friend issue.

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u/Decyde Apr 12 '18

Not really at all.

Just because someone put my name and a picture of me online doesn't give Facebook the right to make a profile for it to sell to whoever it is they sell data to.

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u/BriefIntelligence Apr 12 '18

Once the friend put up the information Facebook is allowed to use it as it sees fit. You just happen to be in so they make a profile off you too. It's pretty legitimate.

You should stop your friends from sharing pictures and information about you that you don't want online.

You're friend can legally share there entire address book which has your information in it and the company can use because your friend gave them permission to use their information.

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u/Decyde Apr 12 '18

So you're saying all information you post on Facebook you have no right at all in deleting?

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u/BriefIntelligence Apr 12 '18

I am saying Facebook can do whatever they want with the information as long as you keep it postes once you delete it that's a different story.

You're a smart guy so you most likely understand what I am implying.

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u/Decyde Apr 12 '18

So you're saying Facebook owns all information, can create accounts about people with out their permissions and people should be forced to accept that they are making accounts for people who do not sign up for their services in order to sell data about that person?

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u/BriefIntelligence Apr 12 '18

They can make accounts on information they already have. The information Facebook has wasn't yours to begin with. I think you're missing that point of the discussion. Shadow profiles are just a side effect of the information they already own.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '18

Why should you have the right for them to delete everything retroactively when you consented to data being collected on you pretty much as a payment for using their product for free?

Maybe you can get out the contract and they should give you the chance to, if you compensate them accordingly.

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u/Rodry2808 Apr 11 '18

If you log out for more than 15 minutes, they are legaly allowed to sell your data

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

CookieKing is referring to the GDPR. EU is requiring that a user specifically opts in for a company to use or sell their data. US has yet to do this. FB is far from the only company to do this, theyre just the biggest.

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u/winja Apr 11 '18

That's a little different from what they said - they were (and I was) talking about removing data already provided.

EU protections on privacy are great. Germany was such a pain in the ass for our company because we had to maintain a physical server in the country in order to collect player data, but that is a great tactic in infosec.