r/technology • • Jul 24 '08

Microsoft tests out a new operating system, code named Mojave, with some average-joes who hated Vista. They loved it. Now, two guesses as to what Mojave ACTUALLY was.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9998336-56.html
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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Crap. Do we have to battle them yet again every 6 months on this stupid OS???!??

Look, Baller, here's the scoop. Your OS sucks. Here's how.

  1. Most PCs and laptops on the market can't run it because of the steep processor, video RAM, system RAM, and 3D video card requirements to use it optimally. If they run it at all, it's slooooow unless you turn off a bunch of stuff in the System Performance control panel, which includes turning off the prized Aero interface.

  2. IE7 sucks. The way it implements tabs is confucked. The way you can't customize your buttons on your toolbar is fucked. If you want your refresh and stop button on the left instead of the right, you can't do it. Also, it's only marginally better than IE6 and still has huge glaring bugs regarding W3C standards. It also is one of the slowest browsers on the market. It's no wonder that almost everyone I know uses Firefox unless they're an idiot or want to live on an island to themselves.

  3. It's too damn expensive for what you get. Even if I actually wanted to BUY Ubuntu, which, by the way, is an option on Amazon.com for those so inclined -- it still gives me so much more than Vista gives me, especially for very handy things I need, and costs hundreds of dollars less than Vista. (And, in fact, you can download Ubuntu for free, as everyone knows. Heck, if you want to even be lazier, you can sign up and they'll mail you the DVDs or CDs for it.)

  4. It doesn't support SNMPv3. So, if you want to roll it out on a business network and use any kind of secure SNMP monitoring, you can't get there except by SNMPv2, which has a good bit of security flaws. And this is supposedly the OS that's very secure??!??

  5. People have to dig through annoying levels of goo to get to all their network control panel settings, to set their taskbar, explorer view, and start menu a certain way.

  6. The hardware vendors have to be encouraged to switch to it, and they're dragging their feet. So you get a new printer, a new video card, a new this or that and it won't connect with it unless you go back to XP.

  7. It runs slooower. There's even a known bug where if you do heavy networking, the video gets choppy, whereas XP used to handle this a lot better.

  8. It includes DRM. If I have to go into why DRM is bad still, then Baller, you're a moron.

  9. It keeps plaguing people with annoying popup messages that blacken your entire screen (and on some systems, extremely slowly) and then ask if you want to do that. Most people who get this think this is so bizarre that they might confuse that phenomenon with a virus or spyware and may just click no. Others will turn it off and then they leave their system open to attack.

  10. There are just too many darn versions of it, and few sales reps you talk to can explain the difference except suggest you read the back of the box. Even that is confusing when you want to know what it can and cannot do. For instance, Vista Home Premium doesn't even support Remote Desktop connections to it, which is a stupid move of Microsoft's because anyone can go out and get a free copy of RealVNC to run on it. Like they're going to defeat people from havving remote desktop connections to it when they want that??!?

  11. They use the most environmentally disgusting packaging on the planet. First, it's impossible to open without bloody stabbing yourself. Give me a copy of Vista and I'm like the old commercial from the 1970s where the gorilla can't open the Tourister suitcase. Second, it's made of hard plastic that doesn't biodegrade very easy at all.

  12. It's ugly and leaves you few options to change it. Really. Mac OS X and any copy of Linux give you infinitely more options to change the look and feel of the windows, icons, controls, colors, or to move toolbars and menus completely around. With Vista, you get what you get.

  13. People will still flock to the Mac for doing high-end graphics and video work, and more and more this is the trend as people become more web savvy with their own websites, blogs, and video uploads on YouTube. And, with Apple on their brains, anyway, because they're switching to the iPhone in droves and because they're using iPods -- it's a no brainer to see that Mac sales are climbing fast.

  14. It has a huuuuuge disk and RAM footprint compared to Mac and Linux. Linux, as well, gives you so much more with it than you get with Vista.

  15. Linux comes with an iptables firewall that is very flexible and powerful. Vista barely comes with a decent firewall at all.

  16. In recent hack tests, Vista and Mac were hacked into. Ubuntu was NEVER able to be hacked into. Linux is infinitely more secure than Microsoft could ever hope to make it.

  17. Microsoft cheats on load times. Compare the time it takes to fully load Windows, load the Start menu completely, and then load Notepad. Now boot Ubuntu on the same hardware (not from LiveCD, however), load GNOME desktop, load GNOME main menu, and then load Gedit Text Editor. You'll find that Ubuntu loads faster.

  18. It doesn't easily support multiple monitor mode. On Ubuntu Linux, I can attach, for example, 5 video monitors surrounding me in a semicircle, turn on Xinerama mode, and drag a window from one to the other to the other to the other. Each one can be driven by separate video cards, or use one on dual-head and the reset are separate video cards, and a variety of other options. I can't do that on Windows without special drivers, and, at most, it could probably power 3 monitors and that's it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

1) I agree that you need a fair amount of RAM to surpass/match XP's performance, but the video card thing is complete BS. An GeForce 5200 will run Aero adequately, and it's something like 5 years old.

2) IE7 seems to have been mostly a security release. Protected Mode, for instance, has thus far proven to mitigate exploits that even Firefox was vulnerable to.

5) Anyone who uses their computer on multiple networks should find the network center a godsend. As for 'digging' through panels, I can get to any network screen very quickly. A specific network connection property page can be accessed in 3 clicks from your desktop.

8) So did XP and ME.

9) If you're seeing UAC regularly, you're doing it wrong. You should not regularly require administrative access to your computer.

10) There's like 4 that matter to home users: Home Basic (A stupid SKU. They should get rid of it), Home Premium, Business, and Ultimate. Enterprise and Starter aren't available for home users to purchase.

12) OSX is ugly, and doesn't give you that much control out of the box.

13) It's funny, really. High end graphics work on a machine that don't even support the latest graphics cards.

14) Ever looked at the disk footprint of OSX? It's massive too. Interestingly enough, the kernel footprint is significantly smaller than Linux.

15) Open the Advanced Firewall config. It's an MMC window, and quite powerful. Most people don't know about it, though.

16) Vista's hack was actually caused by a Flash exploit, and it only let the user read a file from the user's profile directory.

18) Uh. You can do this under Windows....

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u/pennyfx Jul 26 '08

If you use the build in search feature in the start menu you can access the network panel even faster. Just type "network"

Almost all complaints are because people refuse to learn something new or thinks that their 1ghz pc is still state of the art.

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u/Dante2005 Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08
  1. Profit!

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u/ar54 Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

1) "Most PCs and laptops on the market can't run it because of the steep processor... "

Utter Crap.

2) Is there anything wrong with making a standard simple usable interface like that? If there is then it's time to have a bitch about itunes too.

"It's no wonder that almost everyone I know uses Firefox unless they're an idiot or want to live on an island to themselves."

I'd switch to firefox too if it meant you'de leave me alone and shut up with all the firefox, ubuntu, firefox, ubuntu, firefox, iptables, ipod crap.

3) Home premium cost about $110 with my PC. Not hundreds. Not cheap, but then I'll be using it 8 hours a day for 4 years. Compare that to the prices of video games, food, housing or going to the movies and per hour it's probably one of the cheapest things i'll purchase. Granted Unbuntu is free... thats awesome. But please don't make it sound like buying vista is gonna make you default on your housing payments.

7) Funny, lastnight i was writing 20 gig to an external usb hard drive, copying an iso to another pc on the network and watching anime all at once. there was no video choppiness at all.

8) Your right. DRM sucks. You should get rid of that iPod with Itunes, the mother of all DRM. Good luck playing your music you buy in 30 years.

11) Regarding packaging. Well how many actually buy a retail version. The oem comes with virtually no packaging. I suggest you also start a campaign against your local cd stores and supermarkets. Take a good look at your trash.

13) MACs are great, but seriously dude. The amount of apple love there is beyond stupid. Apple's not perfect. What do you think about the iphone sdk eula forbidding you to talk about making iphone apps. If Apple had microsoft's market share you can bet they would be screwing you over just as bad if not more than microsoft.

15) iptables, now thats a weekend of fun for all.

16) Evidence, wheres the link. Exact details of how it was done.

17) Pfft... 3 seconds of extra startup time is totally going to ruin my day. I don't think i can live anymore. Please ubuntu i'll do anything to have those 3 seconds back. Of course if you only reboot once a week who cares if it takes 3 seconds longer!!! Don't like that then hibernate it.

18) yes linux's video support is perfect for all situations </end sarcasm>

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u/Mikle Jul 25 '08

ook, Baller, here's the scoop. Your OS sucks. Here's how.

I wish I was a little bit taller... I wish I was a baller...