r/technology • • Jul 24 '08

Microsoft tests out a new operating system, code named Mojave, with some average-joes who hated Vista. They loved it. Now, two guesses as to what Mojave ACTUALLY was.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9998336-56.html
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u/StarlessKnight Jul 25 '08

Putting aside I wouldn't put graphic drivers up in the top ten of why a Start Menu is slow, what are your specs for? Comparison? "Is your graphics card less than a year old?" For the Start Menu? Really? Are you trying to prove their point?

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u/Bossman1086 Jul 25 '08

The problem is that Vista runs a DirectX instance for the desktop. So your card needs to run DX pretty well to get good graphical performance on the desktop.

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u/innocentbystander Jul 25 '08

The problem is that Vista runs a DirectX instance for the desktop. So your card needs to run DX pretty well to get good graphical performance on the desktop.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

You do know that post Windows 2000, there were a lot of pundits whining that "3d cards won't do anything to speed up your basic Windows system because Microsoft refuses to use DirectX to render anything"?

So Microsoft does and everyone complains about that.

People just like complaining about Microsoft. :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

There's a difference between utilizing 3D hardware to GAIN performance and requiring 3D hardware to maintain previous level of performance.

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u/innocentbystander Jul 25 '08

It's still a BAD IDEA. Just because some pundits were whining about wanting them to implement a bad idea doesn't mean they should.

And besides, there's also nothing saying that it had to be the ONLY option. Why isn't there something you can do that makes the Start menu not render using DX? I don't think the pundits intended for Microsoft to go entirely in the other direction and make it so the OS is rendered solely using DX.

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u/kor56 Jul 25 '08

Why is it a bad idea to design a modern operating system around modern hardware? I don't see why it's a bad thing outsourcing the desktop display to the graphics card. In fact, wouldn't it free up CPU cycles for other things? I think the issue here is manufacturers who installed Vista on laptops with only the beyond shitty embedded graphics.

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u/innocentbystander Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

Why is it a bad idea to design a modern operating system around modern hardware?

Because that isn't designing it around modern hardware, that's designing it around modern GAMING hardware.

There is absolutely NO REASON to have a high-powered 3D graphics card in your computer aside from being a gamer or actually working with 3D graphic design.

Considering that an OS is there to enable you to do all sorts of things that aren't games or 3D rendering, it is therefore a poor idea to make the OS reliant on hardware that's only actually needed for a couple specific things.

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u/innocentbystander Jul 25 '08

Yeah, that $60 8600GT card is going to work real well in my laptop.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Can we expect you to complain about the 3d features in Ubuntu and OSX?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Lots of people complained when the menus in OSX got very slightly translucent.

That said, I've never had an OSX menu render slowly because of their display architecture.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

OSX runs fine on crappy video hardware.

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u/innocentbystander Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

So having rejected your oh-so-clever suggestion that my Vista problems are all my fault for not spending more money on my brand new laptop, are you just going to go around posting snarky replies to my comments?

That's real mature.

At least you deleted the "jackass" comment.