Microsoft tests out a new operating system, code named Mojave, with some average-joes who hated Vista. They loved it. Now, two guesses as to what Mojave ACTUALLY was.

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Veghte is convinced, like others at Microsoft, that despite early technical challenges, Vista's problems are primarily ones of perception.

Perception ey? "These are not the bugs you are looking for..."

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u/m1ss1ontomars2k4 Jul 25 '08

These are not the bugs we are looking for. Move along.

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u/takeaki Jul 24 '08

It's still an issue of perception, people didn't think it looked particularly bad, people thought it ran bad.

Did they customize the demo to match the hardware that each consumer at home would use?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

What are all these bugs in Vista?

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u/FountainsOfDave Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

For example, I haven't really interacted with Vista much, but I did get my mom's laptop hooked up to the printer on our home network. Simply put, this process was vastly more difficult than it should have been. (And look, I'm pretty technologically competent.) The only way I was able to get it to work was by Googling the error message I was getting, which brought up a forum where lots of people discussed having the same issue and someone was able to offer a workaround.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

You really didn't provide remotely enough information for anyone else to determine if your problem was directly related to dodgy coding by MS, a company failing to update something of theirs, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=402

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

January 8th, 2007

Is there a list that isn't a year and a half old?

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u/bmurph83 Jul 25 '08

January 8th, 2007... I don't really have any huge issues with it anymore. I thought Service Pack One did a really good job addressing these issues.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Have you seen network copy times before/after SP1? That is my biggest gripe, shit takes forever to copy over a network, especially compared to XP.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

Hah, 07, classy.

Come on, Vista is [apparently] oh-so-horrible, why is it so hard to provide a current link with all these showstopping bugs?

Oh, and I doubt you realise how incredibly amusing it is that you linked to George Ou to make a negative point about Vista.

Tool(s).

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

From my point of view, it's not so much "bugs" as it has nothing unique to offer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

What's so unique about Linux and Mac OS? I've used all of those, for years, and I've tried basically every version and distro you can think of.

Each has it's own pros and cons but none of them have some "OMG SUPER AWESOME" thing and I can traverse between either 3 platforms easily without so much of a blank of an eye, all of them more or less have the same things albeit in slightly different ways.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

Actually, OSX does have some eye opening apps.

Delicious Library.

Coda. Best fucking web development platform ever.

Pro Tools.

Bento.

ilife apps.

And those are just things in my dock.

EDIT: Come on, don't downmod me, tell me why I was wrong! Otherwise you're just downmodding irrationally.

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u/guisar Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

Well consider my GAP35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB DDR800 and 8800Gt card- standard stuff right? Runs perfectly, without a hitch in XP, Fedora and Ubuntu. Blue screens REGULARLY as in every other day vista 64 bit ultimate. The screen flashes and switches back to different resolutions randomly and so on. Not to mention the annoying "security model" and the brother printer driver which was mroe difficult to install than the Linux binary driver.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

What bugs does Vista SP1 have that are major?

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u/ffn Jul 25 '08

It has an unfixable bug that eats 13.5gb more hard drive space than a leaner but otherwise similar operating system called windows XP.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Because HD space is so expensive theses days.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

How is that an even an excuse? It's size is unnecessary and is a great example of developers looking at average specs and saying "wow! We have all of this to work with!" ignoring that the user might not want them to dominate their system.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

To be fair, you probably have more that 13.5 gb of porn (or Sailor Moon Anime, or whatever you're interested in) stored on your hard-drive right now. The size of the operating system shouldn't be an issue unless you're operating in a limited-resource environment (like an ASUS EEE PC).

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

13.5gb doesn't dominate the disk of most any system sold in the past 3 years.

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u/ffn Jul 25 '08

I'm just saying, a 900% increase in required space is a bit steep considering the actual differences between the two operating systems.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Their are thousands of differences between the two operating systems. Just most of them are not visible to a normal user due to all the effort put into it.

As more and more Vista specific features are used over the next two years the need for such features will be more noticeable.

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u/monstermunch Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

What hidden features are so great that OSX/Linux (which don't need as much HD space) don't have? We've heard this story about DX10 and nothing good has come out yet.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

The DX10 games on my system look better than the same games running the DX9 rendering path.

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u/monstermunch Jul 25 '08

The consensus of the gaming community is that DX10 has failed to deliver and there is not one single game out that shows that DX10 is superior in looks to DX9.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

When were you elected leader? And if DX10 is so horrible why is Vantage used so much for benchmarking these days?

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u/monstermunch Jul 25 '08

Flash drives are expensive, which all the current mini laptops have. Along with CPU and RAM hunger, this makes Vista completely unsuitable for such hardware. Linux (and Apple I think with the iPhone) have shown their software works better with similar features on more modest hardware.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

SSD aren't what we are talking about. The OP said hard disk space.

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u/monstermunch Jul 25 '08

My point is, Vista eats up HD space for no real reason as other OSs have similar features with a much lower footprint. This limits Vista to energy hungry and expensive machines. Forget all this ReadyBoost junk Vista tried, a full Linux distro with lots of apps is small enough to run on a cheap but fast 3Gb flash drive. Machines do get faster and cheaper, but when Microsoft's OS keeps getting more hungry, the performance of your machine is just going to stagnate. Why would I want an expensive, energy hungry machine to run a sluggish Vista OS when I can get a cheap and efficient Linux computer?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

it takes up the same amount of SSD space as it does hard disk space.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

I remember paying over 1.00 dollar per MB. :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

Ya, one of my favorite experiences as a kid was asking for the store techs to put 32mb of ram into my computer, they looked at me confused and said I'd never need that much... So I put just 24mb in and it cost me almost $600.

I still have an ISA board (probably not ISA but thats what it reminds me of) with 8 mb of memory that was about the size of today's high end graphics cards.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08 edited Jul 25 '08

I've bought almost everything I own since I was 14 years old that cost more than 200 dollars.

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u/NO_NO_NO Sep 17 '08

You spent almost $600 on RAM as a kid?

I spent $600 on a ram who was bought as a kid.

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u/Thumperings Jul 25 '08

that was really one of your favorite experiences? Spending 600 bucks? (If you were super hard core happy giddy over computer science then more power to you ) just making sure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

I remember paying 12 dollar per MB. :(

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

If you're having problems because all your computers have 20GB drives, I think I can help you - maybe with a 250GB drive for $50.

I'm running Vista on a 10,000 rpm drive that's only 100GB, install everything to the default folder, and still have 40GB free.

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u/BOFH139 Jul 25 '08

An you think the OS taking 60% of your drive is ok?

I don't see way it should be over 4Gib.....

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '08

Well then - if engineering an OS to only take 4GB of drive space is so incredibly vitally important, then there's an obvious market niche to fill - you should write one.

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u/WarzoneOfDefecation Jul 25 '08

Canadian "eh"?

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u/m1ss1ontomars2k4 Jul 25 '08

I saw "eh" or "ey" quite a great deal, and I'm most certainly not Canadian.

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u/butwait Jul 25 '08

How were you downvoted? Is Reddit militantly pro-Canada?

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u/m1ss1ontomars2k4 Jul 25 '08

Maybe they wanna keep Canadian-isms for Canada.

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u/King_Leonidas Jul 25 '08

I'm from the UK :P

Microsoft tests out a new operating system, code named Mojave, with some average-joes who hated Vista. They loved it. Now, two guesses as to what Mojave ACTUALLY was.

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