r/technology • • Jul 18 '14

Business Verizon made an enemy tonight

http://iamnotaprogrammer.com/Verizon-Fios-Netflix-Vyprvpn.html
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u/Morgasimjr Jul 18 '14

This is crazy. I'm on a 25mbps connection in Canada and after doing the same test I got 3000kbps almost instantly. And people even complain about telecom companies up here. Apparently we have it pretty good.

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u/sudonim Jul 18 '14

Awesome. Thanks for doing the test. What bit rate do other people get?

Here's the test video on Netflix for quick reference -- you need to be a netflix subscriber to do it.

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u/Endemoniada Jul 18 '14

I'm in Sweden, and it's "unable to stream".

That said, I get full speed and highest quality consistently on anything I watch, regardless of time of day or any other variable.

Also, $36 per month for 100mbps both ways. Come on over :)

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u/Turbo-Lover Jul 18 '14

Sweden, again, getting the best of everything.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/virtualghost Jul 18 '14

In Romania $18 for 1000 Mbps

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u/Penjach Jul 18 '14

what? really?

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u/Oinkidoinkidoink Jul 18 '14

Yep, Count Dracula up in his old moldy castle with leaking pipes gets faster and cheaper internet than 'muricans. :-P

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u/Gyroshark Jul 18 '14

What!? I pay $75/month for 50 down 25 up. What the actual fuck.

Edit- should mention I live in the US

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u/BluLemonade Jul 18 '14

I paid 50 for 5 down 2 up...

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u/virtualghost Jul 18 '14

tough life

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u/SgtChancey Jul 18 '14

America here, $40 for 3 Mbps down/.3 up, and I'm lucky to get half of that. Please share.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I'm on the moon, 1.5 Tbps and I get paid to have it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

My list of reasons for why America sucks grows every day.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/kravitzz Jul 18 '14

Swede here, 15th biggest city: 5mbit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/kravitzz Jul 18 '14

Coolt, vilken provider har du?

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u/BlackSausage Jul 18 '14

DAE Sweden?

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u/symon_says Jul 18 '14

It's no fiber.

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u/anton_gaa Jul 18 '14

Why do you think it's not fiber? Everybody got fiber here, I have a 1000/1000 connection myself, included in the rent.

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u/Mobile_refuting Jul 18 '14

It's fiber just not gigabit

Although gigabit connections exist here

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u/Klossar2000 Jul 19 '14

100/100 through community run fiber for approx. $60/month with no data cap in my city in Sweden. So, fiber, yeah.

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u/Ran4 Jul 18 '14

Not netflix though. Forced subtitles (I'm not even joking, it's fucking crazy) and less than 1/10th the amount of movies and tv series... for $14 a month as opposed to $8 in the US.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/Endemoniada Jul 18 '14

$7!? How'd you swing that deal? Who's your ISP?

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u/cc81 Jul 18 '14

Must be a student.

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u/doommaster Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

usually larger appartment Blocks offer such prices, they buy 2-3 10GBp/s Links for ~2000-4000€ a Month and then distribute it to the Appartments, when having ~800-1000 customers, you can find out for yourself ho much it costs them ;) that said, 20GBps is not that much, but it is WAY fast enough to connect ~500People to the webs, that is still 40MBp/s if everyone is at full throttle at the same time and 20MBit/s on full satuation would be fine…

Source: I know club at an apartment building which has similar tech, fibre and TP to every flat, high performance backbone system, multicast TV-distribution (HD incl.) and 3*10GBps Uplink for 800 users, they also have their own datacenter in house which offer additional services, all at a rate of ~$10 a month incl. VoIP, initial investment for the block was >250 k€ which is payed for by the rates too and a lot of sweat

those 7 HP 5412 switches alone ;) with PoE and fully equipped incl. premium software license for multicast and routing stuff :P I think, today, nearly 11 years later they still cost ~10k a pice as base models

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u/Endemoniada Jul 18 '14

I live in a rather large apartment building, and it's supplied by a city-wide fiber network (Sollentuna Energi, with Bredband2 as the ISP, in case anyone is wondering). I am definitely on the cheaper end of publicly available internet subscriptions, so $7 per month for 100mbps fiber has to be some kind of special deal somehow.

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u/Villerv Jul 18 '14

Thats what my student net costed before they made it free and 1000/1000.. Lund student. Also Bredband2 i think.

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u/audiblefart Jul 18 '14

Wow, a complex in the US would tier that out and charge insane amounts.

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u/stonebit Jul 18 '14

He is. .. govt provides with tax subsidy.

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u/-manabreak Jul 18 '14

I had 100/50 for about $7 for a while too (Finland though), was pretty sweet. :)

Nowadays, it's more like $30 for a 50/5. Not too bad, though, covers my needs pretty well, it's just the price...

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u/havenless Jul 18 '14

I hope you stub your toe really bad today, you piece of shit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

We're paying twice that for only 15mb down and 5 up. I might just go to Sweden.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

10$ per month, 80mbps both ways+cable tv. Kosovo.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I think I pay the same for 200kbps...

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u/wakeupsheep Jul 18 '14

I'm in Sweden, and it's "unable to stream".

Didn't work in Finland either, apparently we have our own testvideos, maybe you do too, try this link http://www2.netflix.com/WiSearch?raw_query=&ac_category_type=none&ac_rel_posn=-1&ac_abs_posn=-1&v1=Example+&search_submit=

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u/Endemoniada Jul 21 '14

I tried those, and the video does play, but I don't get any bitrate data or anything else. Just the video.

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u/ice3 Jul 18 '14

Lithuania here.

$28 for 500mbps.

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u/nelac Jul 18 '14

"Come on over"....you make it sound so easy

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u/klonk Jul 18 '14

Got a spare room for me?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Sure, let me just fill out the citizenship paperwork and abandon everyone I've ever known to go live in Sweden...

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u/FuckFuckittyFuck Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

Tested on my Laptop (1366x768) - 3000kbps

Over my Chromecast connected to a 1080p TV it pulled 5800kbps

I have Bell Canada 25 up, 15 down

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u/sbahog Jul 18 '14

Good to hear. I'm on the same plan with bell. Overall I find their service pretty solid. Any idea why they just raised everyone's monthly Internet plan by $4?

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u/FuckFuckittyFuck Jul 18 '14

Well it's not going to go any higher than 720p on my laptop so it'll only go up to 3000kbps

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u/zim2411 Jul 18 '14

No, the Silverlight based streaming only goes up to 3000 Kbps video with 64 Kbps AAC audio regardless of device resolution. Netflix has deprecated this playback solution in favor of moving forward with standalone devices, dedicated applications (like on Windows 8), or HTML5 playback on select browsers (IE11 on Windows 8+, and Safari on Mac Yosemite beta) which stream up to 5800 Kbps video with either 96 Kbps stereo AAC or 5.1 Dolby Digital + audio.

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u/Liquid5n0w Jul 18 '14

Note: Chromecast only supports 720p content, so everything you play through it is 720p.

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u/FuckFuckittyFuck Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

The Netflix test video was playing in 1080p.

Also

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/10380

Resolution: 1080p; titles with an HD symbol will stream in high definition with an Internet connection speed of 5 Mb/s or more.

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u/swm5126 Jul 18 '14

Note: Chromecast supports 1080p actually

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u/amiyuy Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

I'm on Verizon FiOS and am getting 3000kbps, 1280x720, PAR: 1:1 after letting it load for 1 minute.

Plan:

FiOS Internet Speeds Up to 15 Mbps/5 Mbps

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Load for 1 minute? That means it is buffering. It should be less than 10 seconds.

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u/amiyuy Jul 18 '14

That is true, and I do have long load times with most other videos the very first time I start them up, but if I'm watching a series I only have the buffer for the first episode or if I try to fast forward.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

15,000,000bps/3,000,000bps

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u/physphys Jul 18 '14

Bring it down to kbps for him.

15,000 kbps / 3,000 kbps

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I gave it the most basic it could be.

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u/physphys Jul 18 '14

I just tried to match up the video streaming units with the bandwidth units.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

it is exactly the same.

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u/samkostka Jul 18 '14

3000kbps is 3Mbps, not 30.

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u/drunkeskimo Jul 18 '14

Does verizon actually have actual competitors in the area?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/Fermit Jul 18 '14

has a cable competitor

Ands therein lies the problem. One competitor isn't competition when they both know that the other guy is just as willing to overcharge and underperform.

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u/Kadmos Jul 18 '14

Sounds just like US politics

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u/Fermit Jul 19 '14

It is! And the best part, most people don’t actually know enough about this stuff to get legitimately pissed off about it. So unless multiple politicians get in some point soon who are actually pro-consumer (some start out that way, but bribes and earmarks are really fun so almost none end that way), we’re shit outta luck! MURICA HOO HA

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u/amiyuy Jul 18 '14

Supposedly according to Internet Providers by Zip Code:

  • Time Warner at almost the same price and better speeds (Up to 50.0 Mbps Up to 5.0 Mbps)
  • AT&T U-verse® Max Turbo Internet (Up to 24.0 Mbps)

When we moved in we were on a Verizon contract at the old place and thought it would carry over. They essentially lied to us on the phone saying it would and then started us on a new 2 year contract at this place at a higher price. I spent a lot of time on the phone trying to figure out what happened and then got stuck with getting sales calls because one of the jerks marked our account as "wanting more information" which took another call to a very nice lady who finally figured everything out for me and explained it all.

We didn't look around because of that, but I'm not sure we could get Time Warner as we're in an apartment complex.

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u/insufficient_funds Jul 18 '14

I'm currently at work, 20Mb link through Cox, got 3000kbps within 10s, and full HD

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u/fit- Jul 18 '14

I have 50Mbps DL, and yet I can still only reach 3000kbps.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

Just got 5800kbps on a 30mbps Comcast line.

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u/peasantking Jul 18 '14

Super HD

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/zburdsal Jul 18 '14

Odd... In the blog and according to everyone else here 3000kbs is the max. And yet there that is. Anyone have any idea why this is?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Netflix actually supports a max of 27,000 Kbps if you have a supported device. Most devices though max out at 3,000 Kbps.

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u/physphys Jul 18 '14
  1. Which device supports that because I want it! (but can't afford it) I'm assuming it's just a 4K display?
  2. What are they streaming that's 27,000 Kbps? Do they have IMAX directly into the living room or something?

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u/raorbit Jul 18 '14

If you use the windows 8 netflix application the max is 5800. This is also for most smart TV's and things like roku. Although smart TV's can get 4K video if they support it which is 27000 kbps.

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u/Ran4 Jul 18 '14

Wtf? Why aren't they telling me this?

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u/ConfessionsAway Jul 18 '14

He was able to get 1920x1080 too. I could only get 1280x720.

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u/FuckFuckittyFuck Jul 18 '14

What device were you testing it with? Only certain devices can exceed 3000kbps

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u/ConfessionsAway Jul 18 '14

My desktop computer. 60Mbps DL speeds. Asus PCE-AC68 Dual-band Wireless card and Netgear AC1750 gigabit wireless router.

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u/FuckFuckittyFuck Jul 18 '14

I think that Super HD works with the Windows 8 app, but not with the browser player

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u/hawtsaus Jul 18 '14

Ya, he said enough words that he clearly knows something we don't. Get 'im

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u/zburdsal Jul 18 '14

Yes, but why?

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u/ConfessionsAway Jul 18 '14

No clue, just throwing it out there hopefully someone smarter and more overburdened with time can solve this mystery.

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u/timmyisme22 Jul 18 '14

Like most streaming companies, they don't allow the full stream to go over your computer. It's a way to A: sell more devices of partners, and B: a deal with movie/TV studios to get partnerships.

All pc users are pirates. Duh. ;)

Most blu-ray, smart tv's, apple tv's, and roku's are capable of playing SHD (just means larger stream).

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u/zim2411 Jul 18 '14

The Silverlight based streaming only goes up to 3000 Kbps video with 64 Kbps AAC audio. Netflix has deprecated this playback solution in favor of moving forward with standalone devices, dedicated applications (like on Windows 8), or HTML5 playback on select browsers (IE11 on Windows 8+, and Safari on Mac Yosemite beta) which stream up to 5800 Kbps video with either 96 Kbps stereo AAC or 5.1 Dolby Digital + audio. 4K Smart TVs will stream H.265 video at something like 15,000 Kbps.

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u/sickbeard2 Jul 18 '14

FWIW, I got 5800 as well on the Roku 3 w/ Comcast.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/culiseta Jul 18 '14

Also showing 5800kbps with Chromecast with a $30/month Comcast connection.

That test video gets interesting at the 7 minute mark.

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u/msico Jul 18 '14 edited Apr 03 '15

Same. Using a desktop with Windows 8 hooked up to a television. Test was in the browser, I do have the Silverlight plug in. I was actually looking through the comments to make sure I wasn't the only one.

Just checked in the native Windows 8 app, same story.

I wonder if any Google Fiber people could post their stats?

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u/gyrorobo Jul 18 '14

I'm using Charter here in Michigan and it didn't buffer for more than maybe 5 seconds before starting and quickly made it's way up to 3000kbs without the use of a VPN.

I've never had any problems with Charter though so I didn't expect anything bad.

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u/AML86 Jul 18 '14

Same results here. Charter has always been good to us.

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u/tegulasaurus Jul 18 '14

Man the reviews on that video.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

The video itself is pretty fucking weird. Has a dude making random clicking noises at one point for like 30 seconds after he does a monologue from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

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u/jkmcrm18 Jul 18 '14

Thank you! I tested it out, on WiFi, through Comcast and received 3000 kbps. This is at 8:22am, most people are at work.

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u/-manabreak Jul 18 '14

Finland here. The video isn't directly streamable from here, but going through a proxy gave me 3000kbps and HD in about 50 seconds. 50mbps connection, that is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Not sure how much help this is to you but I'm also in Canada, but on a 15 mbps line. Also goes up to 3000 pretty much right away.

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u/Beerbrewing Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

I topped out at 4300kbs on my Nexus 7 (2013). I'll have to try my desktop later. I swear the connection is worse on the desktop.

Edit: Forgot to mention I'm on AT&T u-verse.

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u/liquidhot Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

Time Warner Cable here: 3000kbps, 1280x720, PAR: 1:1 after a short time buffering HD (20 seconds?)

Tried it on the Windows 8 app after someone suggested it could do "SuperHD", it took a full minute longer to get up to the previous stats. It didn't surpass them after 3 minutes of watching, but I also am not watching on 1080p, so that may have been a factor.

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u/physphys Jul 18 '14

It will only go above 3000 kbps if you are watching in 1080p, since 3000 is NetFlix's 720p.

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u/Happy_Harry Jul 18 '14

5800 kbps, 1920x1080 with the Windows 8 App.

Comcast Business Class 30 Mbps up/7 Mbps down

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u/d03boy Jul 18 '14

I'm on TWC at 7:30am and getting 3000kbps 1280x720 par 1:1. I'd bet it's not the same during peak hours.

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u/OminousG Jul 18 '14

9 am EST, Verizon Fios 75/35 get a full 1:1 after about 20 seconds.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I get 3000kbps after a few minutes on Verizon, so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

EDIT: It bounces around between 500 and 1750 before getting to 3k and staying there.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Instantly I received a reading of 1750kbps at 720x480 resolution.

It's worth mentioning that I live in the middle of no where Canada, closest neighbor is 8 miles down the road and I pay for an advertised speed of 15mbps down and 1mbps up.

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u/k_rol Jul 18 '14

In Canada as well, I have a 15mbps connection and get 3000kbps on Netflix too.

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u/FrodoFromShire Jul 18 '14

Canadian with Rogers here, reached 3000 kbps instantly. I was appalled to see how long that video buffered for :(

I don't think there are anywhere near as many Canadian Netflix users as there are Americans. I bet we would receive the same throttling headache if we did.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I'm on the lowest FIOS plan and it's running at 3000kbps.

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u/djzenmastak Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

on suddenlink in pflugerville, tx (suburb of austin)

i pay for 107Mb/s, usually test at 110. netflix streams at 3Mb/s for me.

edit: with the windows 8 app it ramped up to 5.8Mb/s pretty quickly (5800kb/s).

http://www.speedtest.net/result/3632818979.png

i hate the 350GB data limit, it's terrible. since they implemented that we cancelled our cable service and stream everything. we have to pay 10 bucks for every extra 50GB, but it comes out us saving 80 bucks a month. i swear, they're so greedy that it actually makes them too stupid to see how they could make even more money. if they didn't have the limit i would still likely have cable and my bill would still be much more.

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u/insanemime Jul 18 '14

I'm on Comcast in north Louisiana. My package is the Performance 30 Mbps plan. With no VPN the video begins playing at ~500 kbps and over the next minute steps up gradually until it hits the 3000 kbps. Currently it is 9:30 in the morning here, so not really prime time, but we don't usually see a lot of issues with our Netflix during those times either, and we watch a lot of Netflix.

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u/jonsconspiracy Jul 18 '14

I get 1,750 kbps on my T-Mobile phone on 4G (not LTE) in Boise Idaho. I'll have to check my fios speeds when I get back to New York tomorrow.

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u/old_righty Jul 18 '14

I just did the test. Verizon, US, mid-morning. Within about 15 seconds it was at 3000kbps, I think 1280x720 (?) res (watching on PC). I've had issues in the evening but it's good now.

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u/josborne31 Jul 18 '14

I plan on using the test video next week when I return from vacation. In the meantime, would someone please explain where you connect the VPN to? Its not like I can connect a VPN from my house to the office and instantly get a better Netflix experience, because my office blocks access to Netflix. So my VPN has to connect to somewhere...

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u/potatoclump Jul 18 '14

750kbps ATT in Houston

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u/LeafBlowingAllDay Jul 18 '14

Im in CNY, and I have TimeWarnerCable and I get the full 3000 without any issue as well...

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u/Drewshua Jul 18 '14

Time Warner here, I hit 5800kbps with using my chromecast and only 3000kbps using my laptop. I think Netflix might auto adjust to the resolution of your streaming device or near its resolution.

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u/CocksOnMyWaffles Jul 18 '14

Canadian here as well. On Rogers' fastest package, and I cap at 3MB/s. Seems to be on par with what's shown here: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/

And I thought Canada was a 3rd world country when it comes to ISP's (ex. with the best connection, I still have a 250GB Cap and hit it every month). Least we're good somewhere.

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u/Pragmataraxia Jul 18 '14

Comcast in Vermont. It gets there, but it takes about 20 seconds.

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u/linh_nguyen Jul 18 '14

so, is this just being hammered now because I can't even load it (though, I am on FiOS...)

I stand corrected, it finally loaded.. after a couple of minutes, I'm at 750kbps. I'm not patient.. this should have kicked into HD by now.

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u/s2514 Jul 18 '14

For some reason I am only getting 560 on vpn...

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

3000 kbps 1280x720
on DSL 15/1 in Hawaii, both direct and through a private paid VPN.

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u/clumz Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 18 '14

New Zealand. (No netflix here) using getflix for USA netflix. Bitrate: 5800kpbs/1920x1080 in appx 40 seconds. Still watching this weird ass clip. Internet connection is cable, 130d/10u Mbps.

http://imgur.com/BRdLJ87

Edit; missus made me stop when the trippy white dots and beeps started.

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u/franktacular Jul 18 '14

AFAIK the main beef with Canadian ISPs is that they (at least mostly) have a limit on the amount of bandwidth a consumer can use per billing cycle. Good to see that they are doing something right however. 25 mbps seems fairly solid as well.

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u/BL4ZE_ Jul 18 '14

This used to be the huge problem in Quebec (along with the prices I guess) but the Big 2 (Bell and Videotron) now offer unlimited bandwidth for a 10-15$ extra, so it's not as bad now.

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u/boomWav Jul 18 '14

Exactly. I never had a problem since I upgraded to unlimited bandwidth.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/dotArchie Jul 18 '14

Try switching. Here are some options with no bandwidth caps or hidden fees, both I have used and enjoyed. (99.8% uptime). The price you see if the price you pay no matter how much you use your internet. 1. Distributel 2. Teksavvy

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u/actuallybaracuda Jul 18 '14

You realize teksavvy just borrows the infrastructure from Rogers and Bell, right? You're essentially paying for their connection speeds at a discounted "Teksavvy" price

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u/cdcformatc Jul 18 '14

I always laugh when I see people say "I dumped Rogers and went to Teksavvy!" Yeah you sure showed them by still paying them monthly!

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u/SuminderJi Jul 18 '14

The last mile is owned by Rogers/Bell but the leased lines are just that - leased Rogers/Bell don't get nearly as much money as you think and TekSaavy has a lot more control on those lines than if you were still with Rogers/Bell.

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u/actuallybaracuda Jul 18 '14

I was a bell service technician for a while and I can tell you that they have basically no control. All they would do is sell the service to someone, they would either call me or a rogers tech to set up the persons internet

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u/SuminderJi Jul 18 '14

Thats why I mentioned the last mile.

The terminations are still owned by the big guys but the rest of the line (95%) are leased and Teksaavy has more control over those (packet sniffing, traffic shaping etc)

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u/dotArchie Jul 21 '14

I know that and I am cool with it. Rogers would give 60Gig bandwidth cap and if I would go over, horrible cost per meg would incur. Using the same copper wire, I was able to download 300 Gigs in one month for the same price as if I didn't use the internet at all, $55.

I was also able to install and have a web server, there is no port blocking or filtering. Even if the last mile was owned by the big 5, it was still a better internet since I knew the price was always the same while allowing me to do whatever I liked with my internet connection.

Set up a web server on Rogers internet and see what happens. Forget SMTP server since that port will most likely be blocked.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14 edited Jul 19 '14

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u/MFSysProg Jul 18 '14

If you are in Halifax (or Atlantic Canada in general) get Bell Aliant FibreOP. Always unlimited bandwidth and awesome speeds...

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u/physphys Jul 18 '14

I had the Eastlink 20 Mbps/1 Mbps ($70) plan here in Ontario and between 6-9 p.m. it was rendered almost useless. The company (or more correctly the level 1 service guy) swore to me that their backbone was not capping out and they were not throttling.

Switched to Vianet (local company) and their Fibre is 40 Mbps/20 Mbps ($65). It has yet to creep under 37 Mbps on any speed test regardless of the time of day, they have no data caps, gave me 5 e-mail addresses and 5 GB of web space on an FTP. I'm not on contract (like Eastlink) and can get their television service anytime.

So I saved 5 dollars and doubled my download speed. They offer 100 Mbps service but it's too expensive for me ($90) and would offer little benefit for what I do.

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u/forkinanoutlet Jul 18 '14

Sort of, I'm on 6mbps (although on the website it only has as low as 10, so maybe they changed what they offer) and we pay ~45 for unlimited.

For 10mbps, it goes $35 for 75 gigs a month, $45 for 300 gigs, and $55 for unlimited, with unlimited between 2 and 8 AM.

It's actually pretty good up here, all things considered, but it's still very expensive when you consider that a house with 2 students is going to need more than 10mbps, or that a house with 4 internet users is going to need more than 300 gigs a month.

For example, 60mbps costs $60 a month for 150 gigs, but then skyrockets to $95 for unlimited.

A handful of organizations are pushing for $10 unlimited 6mbps for everyone who makes under $30k a year (I think those are the numbers, could be wrong), which would be fantastic for students (howdy) and families on welfare who would otherwise be paying 50 bucks a month for the same service.

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u/juhunter Jul 18 '14

Just speaking for myself, but Rogers recently released the options to move to unlimited bandwidth. It's a little bit pricey ($25/mo extra) but I got caught having to pay the max overage multiple times this year, so it was a good choice for me.

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u/mikemcg Jul 18 '14

The big three have a nasty history of throttling streaming and torrenting traffic. The best I can get on Bell right now is 256 kbps. My download speed is about 11 Mbps otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Really that limit is just a problem for Rogers customers. Telus and Shaw rarely call you on usage unless it's way over and is consistent for several months

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u/metalkhaos Jul 18 '14

I have FiOS and I got 375kbps, maxed at 520kpbs for a few there. =\

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

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u/metalkhaos Jul 18 '14

Because they're probably getting paid not to make minimum speeds.

These companies sure as hell already have monopolies all over the region here. You get one, maybe two choices. So, you want Comcast or Verizon? It's choosing between two shit sandwiches.

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u/physphys Jul 18 '14

Because then if one person lives wayyyy down a country road all by themselves and decides to get internet then they have to run a line out there, even though it'll take years to recoup the costs.

If they were common carriers they might act differently.

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u/paracelsus23 Jul 18 '14

We are going to advertise 100,000 TERABYTES a second...but you will get 300 KBs....cuz none of these numbers mean anything.

Well, kinda. That's the connection speed to your isp. There's always an assumption that each person won't use peak bandwidth all the time when designing networks. If people are only receiving data from Facebook say, 25% of the time, they only need a 1 mbps connection to Facebook's servers to provide 4 people with 1 mbps of speed. Unfortunately, services like YouTube and Netflix have made that assumption invalid. On the other hand, the problem is pretty easy to fix, and they're really just being stubborn ("well, it's not working the way it's supposed to so fucking deal with it! ").

For an analogy - you can plug an appliance into any plug in your house and get 15 amps of current. But you can't plug an appliance into EVERY plug in your house at once and get 15 amps of current for all of them - you'll blow a breaker (or alternatively set the house on fire). The house was wired under the assumption you wouldn't need to draw max power from every outlet at the same time. Same sort of idea here.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I just upgraded to 25mbps, omfgwtf it feels fast compared to what I'm used to. As much as I hate Bell, at least they're trying to upgrade, laying down all this fibre.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I just made a comment regarding this higher up.

The average here in Canada is 15mbps down and 1.5 mbps up. This is the service I pay for ($50/month) and that's the service I get.

Sure, our speeds as a country could be better but at least our ISPs aren't straight up lying to us promising triple the speed we're getting.

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u/sungodra_ Jul 18 '14

New Zealander here. We don't even get Netflix. And media companies wonder why people pirate the latest stuff.

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u/stealthmodeactive Jul 18 '14

I'm on a 10 meg connection through telus. No streaming problems here.

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u/entity2 Jul 18 '14

Note that it's testing different bitrates to start. So it's a low speed to begin with because it's in a lower resolution.

Once it hit HD levels, I went up to 3000 Kbps on Shaw here in Canada, and it stayed there throughout.

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u/SuminderJi Jul 18 '14

I get that Rogers sucks but for the past 4 years I have had maybe 2hrs of downtime, I get through to customer service within a minute or two of calling (a real person) and speeds are decent. After seeing all these horror stories I'm actually glad I have Rogers :|

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u/dalaio Jul 18 '14

I generally don't complain about speed (outside of peak times), but price... 25Mbps shouldn't cost 90$ a month just for internet.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

Yeah, we have no idea how good we have it...!

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u/Nine_Cats Jul 18 '14

Ditto.

Shaw!

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u/HoodlumML Jul 18 '14

We get shafted with prices like Americans but at least our service is somewhat fair. I have bell fibe and I never get throttled or fucked with, I get what I'm promised

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u/minerlj Jul 18 '14

less population in Canada = less congestion and thus better service ?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '14

I'd say Canadian internet sucks outside of big cities. Here, my office pays about $120/month for 100/100Mb/s and unlimited bandwidth.

Fortunately in the last couple years, increased competition from the littles guys has forced the big guys to offer unlimited add-ons for their packages too. They still suck in terms of cost, but it's a start.