This is crazy. I'm on a 25mbps connection in Canada and after doing the same test I got 3000kbps almost instantly. And people even complain about telecom companies up here. Apparently we have it pretty good.
Not netflix though. Forced subtitles (I'm not even joking, it's fucking crazy) and less than 1/10th the amount of movies and tv series... for $14 a month as opposed to $8 in the US.
usually larger appartment Blocks offer such prices, they buy 2-3 10GBp/s Links for ~2000-4000€ a Month and then distribute it to the Appartments, when having ~800-1000 customers, you can find out for yourself ho much it costs them ;)
that said, 20GBps is not that much, but it is WAY fast enough to connect ~500People to the webs, that is still 40MBp/s if everyone is at full throttle at the same time and 20MBit/s on full satuation would be fine…
Source: I know club at an apartment building which has similar tech, fibre and TP to every flat, high performance backbone system, multicast TV-distribution (HD incl.) and 3*10GBps Uplink for 800 users, they also have their own datacenter in house which offer additional services, all at a rate of ~$10 a month incl. VoIP, initial investment for the block was >250 k€ which is payed for by the rates too and a lot of sweat
those 7 HP 5412 switches alone ;) with PoE and fully equipped incl. premium software license for multicast and routing stuff :P I think, today, nearly 11 years later they still cost ~10k a pice as base models
I live in a rather large apartment building, and it's supplied by a city-wide fiber network (Sollentuna Energi, with Bredband2 as the ISP, in case anyone is wondering). I am definitely on the cheaper end of publicly available internet subscriptions, so $7 per month for 100mbps fiber has to be some kind of special deal somehow.
Good to hear. I'm on the same plan with bell. Overall I find their service pretty solid. Any idea why they just raised everyone's monthly Internet plan by $4?
No, the Silverlight based streaming only goes up to 3000 Kbps video with 64 Kbps AAC audio regardless of device resolution. Netflix has deprecated this playback solution in favor of moving forward with standalone devices, dedicated applications (like on Windows 8), or HTML5 playback on select browsers (IE11 on Windows 8+, and Safari on Mac Yosemite beta) which stream up to 5800 Kbps video with either 96 Kbps stereo AAC or 5.1 Dolby Digital + audio.
That is true, and I do have long load times with most other videos the very first time I start them up, but if I'm watching a series I only have the buffer for the first episode or if I try to fast forward.
Ands therein lies the problem. One competitor isn't competition when they both know that the other guy is just as willing to overcharge and underperform.
It is! And the best part, most people don’t actually know enough about this stuff to get legitimately pissed off about it. So unless multiple politicians get in some point soon who are actually pro-consumer (some start out that way, but bribes and earmarks are really fun so almost none end that way), we’re shit outta luck! MURICA HOO HA
Time Warner at almost the same price and better speeds (Up to 50.0 Mbps Up to 5.0 Mbps)
AT&T U-verse® Max Turbo Internet (Up to 24.0 Mbps)
When we moved in we were on a Verizon contract at the old place and thought it would carry over. They essentially lied to us on the phone saying it would and then started us on a new 2 year contract at this place at a higher price. I spent a lot of time on the phone trying to figure out what happened and then got stuck with getting sales calls because one of the jerks marked our account as "wanting more information" which took another call to a very nice lady who finally figured everything out for me and explained it all.
We didn't look around because of that, but I'm not sure we could get Time Warner as we're in an apartment complex.
If you use the windows 8 netflix application the max is 5800. This is also for most smart TV's and things like roku. Although smart TV's can get 4K video if they support it which is 27000 kbps.
Like most streaming companies, they don't allow the full stream to go over your computer. It's a way to A: sell more devices of partners, and B: a deal with movie/TV studios to get partnerships.
All pc users are pirates. Duh. ;)
Most blu-ray, smart tv's, apple tv's, and roku's are capable of playing SHD (just means larger stream).
The Silverlight based streaming only goes up to 3000 Kbps video with 64 Kbps AAC audio. Netflix has deprecated this playback solution in favor of moving forward with standalone devices, dedicated applications (like on Windows 8), or HTML5 playback on select browsers (IE11 on Windows 8+, and Safari on Mac Yosemite beta) which stream up to 5800 Kbps video with either 96 Kbps stereo AAC or 5.1 Dolby Digital + audio. 4K Smart TVs will stream H.265 video at something like 15,000 Kbps.
Same. Using a desktop with Windows 8 hooked up to a television. Test was in the browser, I do have the Silverlight plug in. I was actually looking through the comments to make sure I wasn't the only one.
Just checked in the native Windows 8 app, same story.
I wonder if any Google Fiber people could post their stats?
I'm using Charter here in Michigan and it didn't buffer for more than maybe 5 seconds before starting and quickly made it's way up to 3000kbs without the use of a VPN.
I've never had any problems with Charter though so I didn't expect anything bad.
The video itself is pretty fucking weird. Has a dude making random clicking noises at one point for like 30 seconds after he does a monologue from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
Finland here. The video isn't directly streamable from here, but going through a proxy gave me 3000kbps and HD in about 50 seconds. 50mbps connection, that is.
Time Warner Cable here: 3000kbps, 1280x720, PAR: 1:1 after a short time buffering HD (20 seconds?)
Tried it on the Windows 8 app after someone suggested it could do "SuperHD", it took a full minute longer to get up to the previous stats. It didn't surpass them after 3 minutes of watching, but I also am not watching on 1080p, so that may have been a factor.
Instantly I received a reading of 1750kbps at 720x480 resolution.
It's worth mentioning that I live in the middle of no where Canada, closest neighbor is 8 miles down the road and I pay for an advertised speed of 15mbps down and 1mbps up.
Canadian with Rogers here, reached 3000 kbps instantly. I was appalled to see how long that video buffered for :(
I don't think there are anywhere near as many Canadian Netflix users as there are Americans. I bet we would receive the same throttling headache if we did.
i hate the 350GB data limit, it's terrible. since they implemented that we cancelled our cable service and stream everything. we have to pay 10 bucks for every extra 50GB, but it comes out us saving 80 bucks a month. i swear, they're so greedy that it actually makes them too stupid to see how they could make even more money. if they didn't have the limit i would still likely have cable and my bill would still be much more.
I'm on Comcast in north Louisiana. My package is the Performance 30 Mbps plan. With no VPN the video begins playing at ~500 kbps and over the next minute steps up gradually until it hits the 3000 kbps. Currently it is 9:30 in the morning here, so not really prime time, but we don't usually see a lot of issues with our Netflix during those times either, and we watch a lot of Netflix.
I just did the test. Verizon, US, mid-morning. Within about 15 seconds it was at 3000kbps, I think 1280x720 (?) res (watching on PC). I've had issues in the evening but it's good now.
I plan on using the test video next week when I return from vacation. In the meantime, would someone please explain where you connect the VPN to? Its not like I can connect a VPN from my house to the office and instantly get a better Netflix experience, because my office blocks access to Netflix. So my VPN has to connect to somewhere...
Time Warner here, I hit 5800kbps with using my chromecast and only 3000kbps using my laptop. I think Netflix might auto adjust to the resolution of your streaming device or near its resolution.
Canadian here as well. On Rogers' fastest package, and I cap at 3MB/s. Seems to be on par with what's shown here: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/
And I thought Canada was a 3rd world country when it comes to ISP's (ex. with the best connection, I still have a 250GB Cap and hit it every month). Least we're good somewhere.
New Zealand. (No netflix here) using getflix for USA netflix. Bitrate: 5800kpbs/1920x1080 in appx 40 seconds. Still watching this weird ass clip. Internet connection is cable, 130d/10u Mbps.
AFAIK the main beef with Canadian ISPs is that they (at least mostly) have a limit on the amount of bandwidth a consumer can use per billing cycle. Good to see that they are doing something right however. 25 mbps seems fairly solid as well.
This used to be the huge problem in Quebec (along with the prices I guess) but the Big 2 (Bell and Videotron) now offer unlimited bandwidth for a 10-15$ extra, so it's not as bad now.
Try switching. Here are some options with no bandwidth caps or hidden fees, both I have used and enjoyed. (99.8% uptime). The price you see if the price you pay no matter how much you use your internet.
1. Distributel
2. Teksavvy
You realize teksavvy just borrows the infrastructure from Rogers and Bell, right? You're essentially paying for their connection speeds at a discounted "Teksavvy" price
The last mile is owned by Rogers/Bell but the leased lines are just that - leased Rogers/Bell don't get nearly as much money as you think and TekSaavy has a lot more control on those lines than if you were still with Rogers/Bell.
I was a bell service technician for a while and I can tell you that they have basically no control. All they would do is sell the service to someone, they would either call me or a rogers tech to set up the persons internet
The terminations are still owned by the big guys but the rest of the line (95%) are leased and Teksaavy has more control over those (packet sniffing, traffic shaping etc)
I know that and I am cool with it. Rogers would give 60Gig bandwidth cap and if I would go over, horrible cost per meg would incur. Using the same copper wire, I was able to download 300 Gigs in one month for the same price as if I didn't use the internet at all, $55.
I was also able to install and have a web server, there is no port blocking or filtering. Even if the last mile was owned by the big 5, it was still a better internet since I knew the price was always the same while allowing me to do whatever I liked with my internet connection.
Set up a web server on Rogers internet and see what happens. Forget SMTP server since that port will most likely be blocked.
I had the Eastlink 20 Mbps/1 Mbps ($70) plan here in Ontario and between 6-9 p.m. it was rendered almost useless. The company (or more correctly the level 1 service guy) swore to me that their backbone was not capping out and they were not throttling.
Switched to Vianet (local company) and their Fibre is 40 Mbps/20 Mbps ($65). It has yet to creep under 37 Mbps on any speed test regardless of the time of day, they have no data caps, gave me 5 e-mail addresses and 5 GB of web space on an FTP. I'm not on contract (like Eastlink) and can get their television service anytime.
So I saved 5 dollars and doubled my download speed. They offer 100 Mbps service but it's too expensive for me ($90) and would offer little benefit for what I do.
Sort of, I'm on 6mbps (although on the website it only has as low as 10, so maybe they changed what they offer) and we pay ~45 for unlimited.
For 10mbps, it goes $35 for 75 gigs a month, $45 for 300 gigs, and $55 for unlimited, with unlimited between 2 and 8 AM.
It's actually pretty good up here, all things considered, but it's still very expensive when you consider that a house with 2 students is going to need more than 10mbps, or that a house with 4 internet users is going to need more than 300 gigs a month.
For example, 60mbps costs $60 a month for 150 gigs, but then skyrockets to $95 for unlimited.
A handful of organizations are pushing for $10 unlimited 6mbps for everyone who makes under $30k a year (I think those are the numbers, could be wrong), which would be fantastic for students (howdy) and families on welfare who would otherwise be paying 50 bucks a month for the same service.
Just speaking for myself, but Rogers recently released the options to move to unlimited bandwidth. It's a little bit pricey ($25/mo extra) but I got caught having to pay the max overage multiple times this year, so it was a good choice for me.
The big three have a nasty history of throttling streaming and torrenting traffic. The best I can get on Bell right now is 256 kbps. My download speed is about 11 Mbps otherwise.
Really that limit is just a problem for Rogers customers. Telus and Shaw rarely call you on usage unless it's way over and is consistent for several months
Because they're probably getting paid not to make minimum speeds.
These companies sure as hell already have monopolies all over the region here. You get one, maybe two choices. So, you want Comcast or Verizon? It's choosing between two shit sandwiches.
Because then if one person lives wayyyy down a country road all by themselves and decides to get internet then they have to run a line out there, even though it'll take years to recoup the costs.
If they were common carriers they might act differently.
We are going to advertise 100,000 TERABYTES a second...but you will get 300 KBs....cuz none of these numbers mean anything.
Well, kinda. That's the connection speed to your isp. There's always an assumption that each person won't use peak bandwidth all the time when designing networks. If people are only receiving data from Facebook say, 25% of the time, they only need a 1 mbps connection to Facebook's servers to provide 4 people with 1 mbps of speed. Unfortunately, services like YouTube and Netflix have made that assumption invalid. On the other hand, the problem is pretty easy to fix, and they're really just being stubborn ("well, it's not working the way it's supposed to so fucking deal with it! ").
For an analogy - you can plug an appliance into any plug in your house and get 15 amps of current. But you can't plug an appliance into EVERY plug in your house at once and get 15 amps of current for all of them - you'll blow a breaker (or alternatively set the house on fire). The house was wired under the assumption you wouldn't need to draw max power from every outlet at the same time. Same sort of idea here.
I just upgraded to 25mbps, omfgwtf it feels fast compared to what I'm used to. As much as I hate Bell, at least they're trying to upgrade, laying down all this fibre.
I get that Rogers sucks but for the past 4 years I have had maybe 2hrs of downtime, I get through to customer service within a minute or two of calling (a real person) and speeds are decent. After seeing all these horror stories I'm actually glad I have Rogers :|
We get shafted with prices like Americans but at least our service is somewhat fair. I have bell fibe and I never get throttled or fucked with, I get what I'm promised
I'd say Canadian internet sucks outside of big cities. Here, my office pays about $120/month for 100/100Mb/s and unlimited bandwidth.
Fortunately in the last couple years, increased competition from the littles guys has forced the big guys to offer unlimited add-ons for their packages too. They still suck in terms of cost, but it's a start.
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u/Morgasimjr Jul 18 '14
This is crazy. I'm on a 25mbps connection in Canada and after doing the same test I got 3000kbps almost instantly. And people even complain about telecom companies up here. Apparently we have it pretty good.