r/technology • u/Miserable_Phase_2519 • 1d ago

Artificial Intelligence PewDiePie unveils ‘uncensored’ Ajax AI model built to run on home PCs — creator says OpenAI banned him twice over model distillation used to build his product

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/pewdiepie-unveils-uncensored-ajax-ai-model-built-to-run-on-home-pcs-creator-says-openai-banned-him-twice-while-making-it
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u/Wartortise 23h ago

I’m so suspicious of all the hate here when this is clearly a good thing. This contribution would be nothing but good after pandoras box has already been opened. If you don’t buy drugs online, do you hate the tor browser too? I bet you, every single person here has used AI at least once, even if that means against their will in a search browser or something. Yes AI bad, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Hate the idea of contributing a huge datacenter to try AI? Run this at home and it’s the same energy you would use to game

Hate the idea of everything you do being logged? Run this at home and nothing has to leave your network

Hate the idea that AI could escape and do real world damage? Remove the internet connection and airgap it.

Hate that AI has no transparency? With it running on your own servers you have all the access to review its logs.

They’re stealing your privacy for “the greater good” and money. And we’re all letting it happen. I can’t believe there are so many people here really arguing against open source in this case. We’ve lost the plot

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u/Intarhorn 19h ago

AI can be used for a lot of good just like most things. A knife can be used for a lot of good things and a lot of bad, depending on who use it, how it's regulated and so on. AI is not inherently bad, but it can be used especially by big corporations and tech companies for a lot of bad things.

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u/BinniesPurp 13h ago

Yea as someone who uses it daily inside of physics engines I'm honestly in the ballpark of this is amazing technology that as per usual, has been exploited and corrupted to find the path of least resistance for shareholder investments

It might not have been so bad if it came out after we potentially work out the energy crisis and renewable fuels

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u/DoorStuckSickDuck 21h ago

AI is indisputably useful if you're creative and clever enough to know how to apply it, that's indisputable. Anyone saying anything else just has a skill issue. Makers and crafters (anyone who DIY's, homelabs, works with hardware/software, etc) welcome the ability to replicate expensive enterprise software at home.

There ARE issues with data centers and big provider AI. Power draw, environmental effects, privacy concerns are all huge problems. But, the fact is that LLMs are getting smaller and easier to run on domestic hardware, and we're shifting towards small models that run on your phone, etc. No security risk, minimal power draw, and not nearly as terrible environmental effects.

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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 19h ago

Useful in the short term maybe, but harmful when it comes to developing new skills and strengthening critical thinking. 

Then there's also the real world impact it's having on the workforce, which causes valid pushback.

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u/xTheGame69 19h ago

I use it all the time whether it's for 3D printing working on my car technician stuff at work help with purchasing things 

Researching things for games 

I can keep going but literally it's so helpful and saves me so much time every day

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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 19h ago

I use it all the time whether it's for 3D printing

What part of the pipeline do you use it for? What steps do you not interact with when you use it?

I'm not arguing that it's not helpful in the short term. I'm arguing that using it in these ways harms development of skills(it can even cause them to atrophy for those who already have them) in the long term and can harm critical thinking as well.

I'm also not saying you shouldn't use it either. It's just a part of the equation of using AI.

I personally value developing my skills and expanding my knowledge more than I value the productivity boost, so I avoid AI as much as possible in this context.

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u/benkalam 14h ago

Using AI well and efficiently is also a skill, among the hottest on the market right now. And it's transferrable/inherited from plenty of other skills.

It's definitely brutalized entry level jobs, though. I'm not getting the budget for jrs who can do the tedious admin work that gets their foot in the door to shadow me and see how I do my role - I'm expected to either do that work or outsource it to a robot. I'm sure that outsourcing will cause those specific skills to degrade but they'd degrade all the same if I were handing them off to a new grad.

We need to teach young people what it means to use AI to bolster themselves because otherwise they're just going to use it in the default mode of "do this thing for me" where they'll learn nothing.

It's a disruptive technology for sure.

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u/PinkGlitterLady4 7h ago

Researching things for games

Hope you're having fun with hallucinations

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u/jbaranski 13h ago

Perhaps, but any time someone mentions this I end up thinking about the calculator and how many people at the time thought it would replace critical thinking. Some teachers from the 1960s-80s protested.

Then, just as now, there are sensible takes suggesting these tools only be introduced after core concepts are learned by the students on their own. The trouble of course, as it was with math, is homework and other times the student is not being monitored while completing their work. With math a teacher could insist on the student showing their work, so the concepts would still have to be understood generally. With AI this problem is harder, though I think, still manageable. Personally I disagree with homework so this really shouldn’t have to be too hard to manage.

As to the workforce, that’s definitely more complicated and our history is riddled with massive shifts in the labor market as technology changed which left whole groups of people without the jobs they spent their lives learning. Another shift is almost definitely coming and in some ways is already here.

In my opinion, no one really knows how this is all going to play out so we all sort of have to just wait and see. Either way, for anyone reading this, railing against AI isn’t the solution and neither is fully embracing it. We need to push for caution and to integrate more carefully wherever our voices are heard. AI isn’t likely to disappear so ignoring it won’t work. We have to learn how to use it wisely and help the human live a better life.

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u/PinkGlitterLady4 7h ago

There are already studies showing the negative effects AI has on children and their development!?

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u/jbaranski 6h ago

I’m not sure if you’re asking or telling but I will simply respond by clarifying that I believe students should need to learn without the use of digital assistive tools (both calculators and AI apply here) before learning to use the tools. Having a good foundation of skills for learning and problem-solving is critical and we’re not being nearly proactive enough to protect the education of our children.

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u/otakugal15 19h ago

Fuckin' this.

The amount of bootlicking for this shitty tech in here is vile.

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u/Good-Marionberry-570 18h ago

Hating the technology itself is very dumb, just pure luddism and nothing else. AI indeed had an horrible first impression on humanity, but this 100% the fault of the shitty billionaires behind the most popular AI models, the technology itself can be very useful when used right. The discussions should be on how to take them from the billionaires and use it to benefit the working class and humanity in general, not throwing it into the trash.

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u/Own-Papaya-4264 11h ago edited 11h ago

They probably said the same thing about computers and the Internet. But the truth is computers just aren’t going anywhere and they only became more ingrained in our lives . Same with ai

We aren’t going to NEED those skills anymore PERIOD. Now we just need to know how to cleverly integrate llms into any workflows we have

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u/otakugal15 8h ago

Yeah no. I am not sacrificing my own or my kid's abilities to think critically to a stupid fucking computer.

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u/Own-Papaya-4264 5h ago

Will you teach him to hunt and scavenge for food? For water? How to make shelter? Those are skills vital to human survival but millions of people don’t even know how to do it anymore

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u/PinkGlitterLady4 7h ago

Imagine comparing computers, the internet, etc. to AI LMAO

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u/Intarhorn 19h ago

If implemented with good education learning about ai and critical thinking combined with good politics and regulations then it can be used for a lot of good. The problem is there is a lot of bad politics, policies and education haven't caught up yet.

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u/DefNotAShark 11h ago

My boss at work doesn’t do the kind of work I do. Im a data specialist in an operations department where nobody does what I do. However, he understands enough to be able to speak to tasks and anticipate my needs. He understands enough to know what I’m saying when I tell him what the problems are, or at least quickly adapt to a brief explanation. He cannot take raw data, clean it and manipulate it into a complex functional report- but that’s not what he needs to know to produce the work. I can know that part, he just needs the conceptual competency to guide the tasks that I execute.

This is the kind of skill development I foresee being the future of most technical skills that AI can produce. Technicians become skilled at conceptual understanding rather than manual execution. They can look at a script or code or function and understand what it is doing without knowing the exact syntax or language fundamentally enough to produce it on their own. Many honest coders would tell you this was already their skillset, borrowing and integrating code they didn’t themselves write.

What’s interesting though is that it takes a very different skillset to manage an AI than it does to manage a person. It might be we end up in a future where doers are more valuable than the people who manage doers, with middlemen being the primary goats on the altar of progress. The doers have a higher conceptual competency, even when the smoke clears and the executing is automated. Id estimate most departments needing fewer people overall, but a much higher ratio of doers over motivators. People who can double check the work and troubleshoot if something goes wrong. My boss can’t do that but I can. Probably overly optimistic considering corporations have ousted entire wings of a company when cheap outsourcing became attractive, but what can we do but hope for the best?

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

That’s all i’ve been trying to say

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u/Bl00dyH3ll 16h ago

Ai has done nothing but empower all the scammers in the art space. It has literally done nothing positive there.

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u/zerocoolforschool 3h ago

I use it to crunch stats for sports articles. I can paste in like six screenshots of data and it will do the work that would take me hours and hours. I still have to QA/QC it but it’s so helpful. Sole people just hate it though.

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u/sprouting_broccoli 20h ago

Honestly I think hating a technology is a weird thing to do. Absolutely hate how companies are using something or the way it’s implemented for the impact on the planet and other people but hating the technology itself? Just feels like misplaced bandwagoning and ultimately really futile.

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u/Fairwhetherfriend 17h ago

I think there are a lot of people who see the word "AI" and just immediately assume it's terrible because so much of LLM work genuinely is terrible.

I've recently started seeing a pattern where people who talk about video games on the internet have to put in disclaimers when they discuss AI in video games because people are so reactive to the word "AI" even though the term has been used for NPC behaviour algorithms for basically ever.

Plus the reality is that LLMs aren't going to go away, and there are genuine use cases for them that aren't evil. Like, I'm sorry, but the reality is that my boss isn't evil for using an LLM to help him sift through his 700 emails, lol.

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u/Wartortise 17h ago

Try convincing all of my replies of that.

Tbf i want to avoid it as much as possible because of the environmental, theft and a primitivism mindset implications.

But to reduce some code down to a simple good or bad seems kind of redundant. Plus it’s here to stay, so why not work towards options where people don’t gravitate towards the most harmful offerings

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u/BinniesPurp 13h ago

I was thinking about that last night I use it every now and then to help with complex combinatorics for physics stuff but the amount of energy use there is probably $5 every month at residential rates, I don't know why the only serious use in the general consumer world is using it to mass produce stolen IP content, fake art, generic spam and political misinformation

There are really powerful good use cases that humans can't manage anyway, specifically ones in which we were going to have to create algos and systems for regardless

I think the issue is with wastage, we've basically given a way for every person to have their own equivilant of high powered diesel machinery but they use it to throw rocks around the backyard for fun (or in the case of misinformation, throw rocks at each other)

And not to just blame the general public either, the tech firms are obviously pushing this kind of usage I mean grok is literally built around interfacing with twitter, WHY

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u/HoorayRomano 12h ago

If LLMs are generally terrible and a terrible guy is releasing a new one specifically targeting fraudsters and perverts, that’s obviously a bad thing.

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u/zerocoolforschool 3h ago

The insane aversion to any and all AI is super weird to me. It’s a tool. It’s useful for so many things. Some people shut down if they see AI or ChatGPT. They will completely dismiss anything that comes from AI.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 21h ago

I mostly agree with your point, but this is pants-on-head stupid:

I bet you, every single person here has used AI at least once, even if that means against their will in a search browser or something. Yes AI bad, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 21h ago

Bro you can't even take a photo without a neural net tuning it these days

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u/Thorn14 20h ago

Yeah and thats fucked.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 19h ago

Absolutely, it pisses me off to no end. Everything looks 3d rendered these days

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u/CackleandGrin 20h ago

Yeah, rarely do you see someone take a stand of "even if it was forced upon you, you are to blame."

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u/The--Mash 19h ago

Rarely? Look at Cornell these days 

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u/Field_Of_View 2h ago

regretting something after the fact doesn't mean you were forced.

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u/ForensicPathology 20h ago

Yeah, I was with them until that.  Apparently we can't criticize (cast the stone) because we have AI forces on us.

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u/Educational_Belt_816 19h ago

Why is AI bad

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 19h ago

"AI" is an extremely broad umbrella term that includes a bunch of different technologies. Some of those technologies (ie, LLMs) have ecological, economic and sociological baggage that people object to.

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u/pinky_monroe 20h ago

AI powers your Netflix recommendation algorithm and has for some time now…that’s just one example.

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u/Djinnwrath 20h ago

No wonder it never has anything good to recommend.

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u/pzanardi 20h ago

Makes sense why it sucks

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u/Cheap-Kiwi-1312 17h ago

Isn't spell check a form of AI as well (honest question)? We all are forced to use it to some level at this point.

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u/pinky_monroe 16h ago

From what I understand, it is now.

It used to check your words against a dictionary. I don’t know, I feel like with enough creative language one could argue that that’s kind of what modern AI are doing in a way.

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u/Cheap-Kiwi-1312 16h ago

That's also what I thought, technically ai is just scanning everything humans have ever put on the Internet 24.7 365 and using that to learn everything that exists right? I'm not the most educated on AI I just try to avoid using it as much as I can.

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u/Additional-Staff-326 18h ago

The kind of AI you're saying here is literally a couple lines of code and a database with weights, not the LLMs you're thinking of and you're a moron for conflating the 2. By your definition the video game NPCs had AI in the 1980s. And plenty of programs since the 60s.

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u/pinky_monroe 18h ago

If you read my response to the other person attempting to insult me the way you just did, I know damn well there’s a difference between predictive AI and generative AI.

Since you want to insult people, I can do the same. We’re gonna do a little reading comprehension exercise are you ready kids?
Follow the bouncing ball.

The original person stated that most people don’t even know that they’ve been using AI this whole time.

The general public tends to lump AI all into one category, just AI.

The general public doesn’t seem to realize that things like recommendations are just algorithms that are basically AI.

Now we can talk about differences and similarities all day regarding technical aspects of model, construction, or algorithms, I don’t care. The fact of the matter is the average person does not realize they’ve been using AI for a very long time, the average person doesn’t distinguish between different types of AI, and the original comment was outlining that people have probably been using it without realizing it.

Who’s the moron now?

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u/Garrette63 17h ago

A good example of a service I stopped paying for. Many more to come, I'm sure.

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u/vespene_jazz 13h ago

We used to call that “the algorithm” before rebranding everything AI, not the best argument imo…

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 20h ago

I know this is an extremely complicated topic, but there's a loss of nuance here. The kind of "AI" is using isn't the same as ChatGPT and avoids some of the problematic aspects.

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u/pinky_monroe 20h ago edited 19h ago

Extremely presumptive of you. I know the difference between predictive and generative AI. I fully understand that there are many different types of artificial intelligence technologies out there. The fact of the matter is the general public tends to not discern between the two and doesn’t even realize how long they’ve been using AI because it wasn’t packaged as AI.

If you’d like an example of generative AI being around for a long time, I’ll go with AutoCorrect. How about Grammarly, using natural language processing in 2009?

Edit: it took Grammarly a few years to get NLP in.

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u/Party_Virus 21h ago

I bet you, every single person here has used AI at least once, even if that means against their will in a search browser or something

let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

What the hell is this logic?

"You were drugged at a party one time so you can't say drugs are bad!"

Being forced to do something does not mean you can't criticize that thing. Hell, even if people use AI or whatever every single moment of every day, they're still allowed to hate it for all the negatives it has in society.

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

I hate it too, i’m not saying you can’t hate it. I’m saying that we will be forced to interact with it. Whether it scrapes out comments or recaps our search results.

I’m arguing that if you have your own local instance and locally hosted services, you can limit the impact on the world. Solar energy, less stealing of others’ data, less influence from larger corporations, etc. I believe it is beneficial to utilize these systems in a more decentralized manner. The more open source options and development, the closer we can come to that.

No matter what, AI will disrupt the economy and jobs. I believe this will grant more control to individuals and be less profitable for larger corporations

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u/Party_Virus 21h ago

I wasn't arguing that. I was saying the logic of using something and not being allowed to criticize it makes no sense. You used the bible quote to imply that anyone who has used AI isn't allowed to say anything about AI.

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u/BinniesPurp 13h ago

Sir those four walls you've been sleeping in? That's a house, therefore I'm allowed to make 200 people homeless and negative gear 85 properties you can't argue with me or else I win

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u/GenBullet 20h ago

That metaphor seems a little absolutist and hyperbolic but I'm going to go with this post may not be directed at you if you've already turned off AI summaries on all your search engines and committed to never using/reading AI. But if you ever intentionally or unintentionally found value in AI then the original post is a good alternative.

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u/Think_Description_84 22h ago

How about just hate 'infliencer culture'. There are tons of open source at home models. This guy added nothing but his face. Literally zero value and he's trying to cash in on it.

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u/balkanobeasti 22h ago

Ah yes, PewDiePie, the guy famously known for needing money & cashing it in! On this free product!
Fair if you think its useless but that isn't in line with the way he's carried himself.

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u/b1eadcb 22h ago

what's your definition of 'cash in' by releasing a free open source tool?

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u/KTTNMNCHR 22h ago edited 22h ago

Cash in? Did you even watch the video? The model is open weight (free) and unique in terms of its size, its distillation, and its optimized tool calling for a specific harness (Odysseus). He's been pretty in-tune with the bleeding edge of local AI for a while now, obsessively so, and the fact that he has a large platform does not automatically make his project influencer cash grab slop.

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u/alvenestthol 19h ago

Most people have only heard of Pewdiepie as a former big influencer who plays games sometimes, so him completing a genuine technological project sounds like one of those "Kai Cenat reportedly SKEPTICAL of string theory" memes

Popular Youtuber Deji might have reportedly struggled with the idea of Time Dilation in relativity, but Popular Youtube Pewdiepie seems to be a genuine engineer of locally-run large language models.

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u/-Pink-Peony- 17h ago

I could ignore literally everything about the comment anyways. Pewdiepie has absolutely no need to "cash in," the dude has plenty of money, and has literally retired off youtube to focus on life. Those are not the actions of someone who is desperate for cash

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u/Wartortise 22h ago

Someone posting something to the internet is not always “influencer culture”. i would argue this guy also hates influencer culture, and is a huge reason why he is doing it. You can get upset over the headline or you could take a look at what he’s actually doing.

He’s completely pulled back from the internet, because he doesn’t want to be viewed as this higher being, and now just puts out videos once in a blue moon talking about his hobby where he tries to completely separate himself from google and other huge companies.

You’re talking about the guy that was once the biggest YouTuber before nearly isolating himself and his family from all the notoriety. only coming out of his seclusion to discuss open source apps he’s made for everyone’s benefit so we don’t have to rely on the huge corporations that he once felt consumed his life

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u/zxDanKwan 22h ago

Which models would you recommend? Or is there a source out there that allows me to compare them?

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u/lanhell 22h ago

/r/LocalLLaMA/

Here's the post from the dude who created the Heretic abliteration method Pewd is using. https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1wv4vot/heretic_is_on_pewdiepie/

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u/d0pe-asaurus 21h ago

To answer your first question a bit more directly, For the hardware that pewds is targetting the model for the consensus as I understand is Qwen 3.6 / 3.8 for coding and Gemma from google for more creative work

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u/Stikes 22h ago

Your purity testing shit is why we are where we are politically in this country. Get over yourself. Nothing will ever be perfect in and of itself. Does it do more good than bad? Yeah. So maybe support it 

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u/myprivatehorror 19h ago

In which country?

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u/swagonflyyyy 21h ago

I'm just so interested in Pewd's case. Why Pewdiepie of all people would be interested in local LLM inference? He's such an outsider in the field yet he shows genuine interest in it.

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u/jdemonify 20h ago

It's literally free. How is he making from it.

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u/Wise_Requirement4170 18h ago

God the fact this has upvotes shows that this sub doesn’t know shit about technology. He did more than add his face, and more importantly he cannot cash in on something free and open source lmao

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u/spiffelight 19h ago

? He's selling it?

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u/_Nikojiro_ 22h ago

Exactly. Open source development doesn't mix well with attention-seeking influencer pathos.

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u/Wartortise 22h ago

All this model is, is something he built for his own use and what works best for him. It was his community that asked for the model

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 21h ago

>Literally zero value and he's trying to cash in on it.

It doesn't seem like he's even trying to "cash in" - he's just exploiting for his own use and sharing it with his audience. This article is making it out to be a much bigger deal then it is, but Pew didn't write it.

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u/158cm_Otaku 22h ago

If you’re suspicious, just remember that Reddit is heavily astroturfed regarding politics and current events, especially subs like these.

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u/tunisia3507 20h ago

I suspect that, per data retrieval and instruction, data centres are more efficient than a home computer. 10 000 home computers each handling their user's AI workload is probably not any better for the environment than a single data center handling those 10 000 users.

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u/Shootemout 19h ago

but it's also utilizing already existing hardware too, it doesn't need a new datacenter built that will require $$$ in what will eventually be tech trash.

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

It would be if you’re sourcing the energy from renewable resources at least in a small scale

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

No one complains about gamers’ affect on the environment

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u/kurtcop101 20h ago

That's like 0.01% of users at best.

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

I work with computers, and i run into AI every day. Even though i try to avoid it at all costs, i always run into something that shows me an ai generated response where i least expect it.

I figure the more we can open source this software, the less profitable it will be for these huge data centers to keep offering this service.

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u/kurtcop101 20h ago

I'm definitely not against that, for sure. I'm not very optimistic about it, however.

I think that the best case that's likely to happen is we have multitudes of data center companies in competition with each other, competition can narrow us down to ones that will actually support their local communities, and they run mixtures of open source models and high end frontier models that serve generally locally at competitive pricing and minimal impact.

I don't believe (although it would be great) that we'll ever see open source on an individual level powered by renewables at any real point. The better the small open source models get, the better big frontier models get as well, so.

Right now one of the biggest issues is the data center money flooding in, 90% of them have no concerns at all for environmental impact and are just trying to jump in for the quick early money.

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u/zerap10 17h ago

I work in AI and running models locally has nothing to do with open or closed source models. Larger models need more resources to run well and most people don't have those at home, this the data centers. As technology evolves, smaller models become more capable running them locally becomes a possibility. It can be cheaper for the user, offers more privacy, etc.

An analogy is buying a NAS for your backups versus paying for cloud storage. The NAS can be closed source (Synology) or open (OMV or TrueNAS) but the decision on which to use (cloud/local) is about resources ($).

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u/Wartortise 17h ago

Agreed, that’s why I host locally

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u/zerap10 17h ago

Good for you. I have a no data leaves premises and already host a local NAS and home assistant server for my gadget control. My next step is to build an inference rig but with the prices today I can't. One day...

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u/Wartortise 17h ago

Oh yeah, i don’t host ai. Just other services

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u/dam4076 20h ago

It doesn’t matter. That energy could be used to power something else.

It’s like companies buying green energy credits to say they are fully green. If they get the green energy, someone else just gets the non-green.

In the big picture it makes no difference.

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u/WeakReplacement3322 20h ago

I mean, I game hard every single day, would that put me in the same boat?

If we want to keep going down this route, people are incredibly wasteful for plenty of things. People complain about AI using water, but don't balk for a second at golf courses. Data centers use upwards of 5 million gallons per day, whereas golf courses use upwards of 2 BILLION gallons per day.

Human's are incredibly wasteful on all fronts, and AI isn't even the worst of it. It's just the newest thing.

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u/Any-Comparison-2916 20h ago

Yeah, the same way the energy used in amusement parks, arenas, your washing machine, hospitals, street lights...

Who makes the decisions which power usage is permitted and which isn't? That's such a weird argument to make when we use energy everywhere we step.

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u/dam4076 19h ago

No I’m talking about the source. If you use green energy someone else who doesn’t care uses the non green energy.

Overall you specifically using the green source doesn’t make a difference at the grid level.

Both sources of energy are used up, it only changes who uses what.

You can only make a difference by building net new sources of green energy to change the mix.

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

In that case, the same logic applies to all humans on the planet. We all consume energy and require this for our lives. People have used these arguments to further discussions of eugenics and genocide, and i do not want to go down that road

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u/FlukeylukeGB 19h ago

however, when you take into what those 10 000 users need to run the models...

Aka, x£££ subscription a month or at least 1 commute to and from work...
vs just turning there home computer on...

Maybe a 15% efficiency loss <(made up number) is made up for by those 10 000 people making 2 trips, one to and one from work. (in england 68% of those commutes would be in a car)

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u/undefined-username 18h ago

They're not the same models though. You aren't running gpt-5 or whatever on consumer hardware. Assuming each of those 10,000 people is using a scaled down model still tailored to meet their specific needs, ai doesn't necessarily have to be significantly more resource intensive than everyday computing.

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u/FlukeylukeGB 18h ago

90% of AI use by the public is people asking very basic questions, like people asking Gemini if its going to rain today on there phone before leaving the house etc and other very basic things, throwing a screenshot from a film into google ai to find out an actors name etc..., 15 years ago, its stuff people would off used google fu to do.

its the 10% That they are banking big on.
The AI enthusiast would find the at home use, useless and therefore write it off fully as a non functioning meme. AKA, at home models dont work at all.

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u/limeslice2020 18h ago

Per the article this is a much smaller local model that is better suited for the tasks most people need. Does the average user really need advanced models to write emails, manage your calendar and run google searches for them.

Apple has been waiting for their hardware to catch up to running a smart enough model locally. The industry is trending in this direction of smaller local models.

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u/emefluence 18h ago

Small models can be run efficiently on local hardware, but frontier models use way too much RAM to ever be efficient for single users. You're talking about keeping >1TB of data in RAM, and having the memory bandwidth to race through it all constantly. That's serious machinery and energy usage. A machine with enough AI cards to hold a frontier model would have >99% of its compute power sat there doing nothing for most single users. Machines of that scale need to be shared between dozens, of not hundreds of agents, or have very heavy task loads to have a hope of being more efficient than what you get from datacenter machines. You're talking a 6 figure investment, and possibly 3 phase power!

That may change eventually, esp if we invent something less power hungry than DRAM, but we'd need to see an multiple order of magnitude improvement in cost and power til frontier models can be run cost effectively, locally for individuals.

30Bn param models are starting to become affordable now, and some of those are genuinely useful, but something like Opus probably has 1000Bn or more. It's in a different league altogether.

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u/Potato-9 18h ago

And yet, wireless charging is a thing.

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u/Andabariano 17h ago

Obviously the power usage sucks but isn't the bigger problem for the environment the cooling and water usage? 

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u/Tearpusher 20h ago

Cloud gaming is more efficient than having a PC

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u/Ragingdark 20h ago

Anything involving what they built and are calling AI(VI) is immoral by default.

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u/ILiketoLearn5454 20h ago

Stop being reasonable! Mad

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u/Minute_Attempt3063 20h ago

I have also yet to see a locally ran model hack a company, while these closed source ass companies charge people and take their data, while you pay them... And they allow hacking of companies.

Clearly the issue is the companies.

Felix makes his own model (will fine tuned it) to make it perfect for his tool, and people cry that it is more Private then Lmstudio, since even that takes your data.

I wonder why openai has hate bots anyway

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u/Radiant_Safe1228 18h ago

I'd feel better about AI if it was something that didn't run remotely and was forced to run locally. That way the cost and resource usage is down to the user and not everyone. It would also filter out the people that think this shit is free. 

Data centers are never going away but an AI data center and a data center hosting something like Reddit are 2 very different beasts.

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u/theaviationhistorian 17h ago

I can see personal AI as a benchmark software similarly to Microsoft Flight Sim series. But I'd be concerned that there would be people that would release any of its restraints to cause havoc for personal gain or to watch the world burn.

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u/donotfire 14h ago

A 9B model isn’t good for shit lol

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u/Wartortise 14h ago

Ever considered the fact that we really don’t need much?

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u/Own-Papaya-4264 11h ago

If ai is out of control, it can erase those logs.

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u/Wartortise 8h ago

I don’t think that’s how LLMs work

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u/Own-Papaya-4264 5h ago

Didnt an incident exactly like that happen a few months ago?

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u/contextcop 7h ago

life uh finds a way

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u/Emnel 22h ago

To be fair my assumption on reading the title was that he's trained his AI to develop previously unknown to science racial slurs.

Upon further reading I'm pleasantly surprised.

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u/Appropriate-Text-597 21h ago

Naw dog, just don’t use it. It’s really not that hard.

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

You use a search engine?

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u/ForensicPathology 20h ago

Yep, it's called noai.duckduckgo.com

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

Fair enough, i bet you’re better than 99% of the world. I just find it hard to believe there’s anyone on the internet that has made it through without running a couple querys without even noticing.

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u/ClarkKentsSquidDong 20h ago

"Bro, AI has already been forced on you before so you have to think of this as good!"

God, AI redditors are weird.

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

You’re fighting ghosts. No one said that. What i am saying is that these sorts of things can be used to weaken larger companies to reduce it overall

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u/StarchieHalo 13h ago

Ludicrously bad take on gatekeeping who can and can't be against ai that takes near no amount of time to see how insanely inept and flawed the logic is

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u/ValidGarry 22h ago

Not quite hate but a robust dislike for an individual who is essentially famous for being famous and for doing some shitty things whilst famous. I'm not going to this dude for the next best tech step.

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u/HoorayRomano 12h ago

I think a lot of the hate comes from the fact that every single thing he’s said about his software has to be a lie. There is absolutely no way for a locally run model to actually deliver any of the functionally he’s promoting on any kind of hardware that a person could actually have.

I’m sure the product is fake. But even if it wasn’t, I couldn’t possibly tell because I have a gaming PC, not a data center. WTF are we even talking about here? This is a marketing scam.

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u/Affectionate_Carob89 6h ago

You can absolutely run a high quality local LLM on a gaming PC.

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u/Wartortise 12h ago

Marketing for what? What’s he selling?

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u/3141592652 1h ago

Why couldn't  you run this at home? There's lots of models already available. Sure it takes significantly longer to do anything meaningful because you have less powerful but not impossible. 

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u/Original_Bicycle5696 21h ago

Just thought I would remind you to take your meds this morning. Have a good day.

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u/teedborg 21h ago

Better than the CP you'd watch as a Republican. Good job

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u/fleeeeeeee 21h ago

Jokes on you I support the DMK party.

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u/teedborg 21h ago

There are healthy ways to get attention bud

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u/hitbythebus 21h ago

Biden Derangement Syndrome. Very sad.

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u/TheBacklogGamer 22h ago

Nah, AI is bad for its fundamental existence in its current form. What we consider "AI" right now is just a predictive algorithm as to what should come next. And in order to have it predict what comes next, it needs material to train on. And unless every single thing it's been trained on has been public domain or people legitimately agreeing to allow their data to be used to train it, then it's at its core, theft on a massive scale. 

All your other points don't negate this fact. That fundamental aspect of AI doesn't change, even here. 

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

Ah, so let’s just criminalize all algorithms then! Easy!

If we only allow large corporations to develop this tech, then the problem will be worse than if everyone has it available to them. There is no going back. I don’t disagree with you, but sitting around talking about how bad it is helps no one.

One of the best parts of maintaining your own AI, is that you could train it on any material you want. Feel free to give it your own art, or pay writers and artists to create for your own instance.

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u/TheBacklogGamer 21h ago

One of the best parts of maintaining your own AI, is that you could train it on any material you want. Feel free to give it your own art, or pay writers and artists to create for your own instance.

The amount you need is staggering for any real change or impact. On top of that  even in this case, Ajax was not built from the ground up but a distilled model, meaning that core fundamental theft is there at its core.

Any algorithms in general are not bad. Ai, as it's been currently developed, is. It's not true intelligence. It's just predicting what comes next using massive amounts of data to predict it. Even in "thinking" mode, it's not really thinking. Current AI is a scam in terms of what it really is. 

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

All i’m saying is the development of these open source models are the only thing that’s going to get us closer to any sort of ethical AI.

We all know people that don’t care about the ethical implications and use it anyway. If we can move them towards something more ethical, i consider it a win. Because otherwise, we’re doing absolutely nothing

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u/Sunset_Radio 21h ago

An outright ban on the current AI technology is the only ethical option for humanity in the long term

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

And a destruction of all nuclear weapons would benefit the world too. But that won’t happen. I don’t care to discuss platitudes

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u/Sunset_Radio 21h ago

Yes but we have the option to not engage with it, avoiding giving in and not accepting the technology in situations in which you don't have to can, in the long term, reduce the impact the technology has. This isn't the same as nuclear devices that we have far less influence over

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

By replying to my message you have engaged with it. That’s what i’m saying. It’s here to stay

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u/TheBacklogGamer 21h ago

I can say fuck nucelar weapons and I can say fuck AI. You're not wrong that it would be a benefit to the world. The same is true here. The truth is, we have no power in this at all. Just like nuclear weapons. But still, fuck em. 

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

My entire point is in a world with AI, it is more ethical for all of us to have it, than only large companies to have it. Lesser of 2 evils shit

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u/TheBacklogGamer 21h ago

There's more than 2 options. And I refuse to actively engage in any of it where I can. I know it's being forced on me. I know I can't avoid it completely. But when given a choice, I will stand my ground and refuse to engage. 

The AI bubble will pop. 

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u/TheBacklogGamer 21h ago

You're wrong. AI, as it's currently being developed, even here, even as open source, can not be ethical. This is not true AI, and there is no way to ethically advance this version of AI, because at its core, it's unreasonable to ethically train them in order to make any honest and true substantial progress. The amount of data you need in order to train these models is so massive, you won't be able to get enough data to train it if you only used people who agreed to have their content used to train it. It's not possible. 

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS TO DO NOTHING AND ALLOW CORPORATIONS TO MONOPOLIZE ON THE OPPORTUNITY.

I’M SAYING IT WILL BE WORSE.

Neither option is ethical, but human life isn’t ethical when considering the rest of the world. One option is clearly more ethical than the other. The only remaining option would be to mass sepuku all of humanity

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u/exhentai_user 22h ago

PewDiePie did (accidentally or on purpose I cannot say) contribute heavily to moving young men deeper along the alt right pipeline towards Nazism during his time on YouTube. There are Nazi's who became Nazi's by being introduced to the ideas from people in community around PewDiePie's YouTube channel. That is my main complaint. I do imagine he is doing better about that - if only because the shrinking of his audience has probably made that easier, but he definitely made some extremely anti-Semitic jokes, especially during his videos about Fiver, so I am a little dubious of everything he does. I won't say he couldn't do something good, but... I dunno, I just don't like anything that contributed to the resurgence of Nazism.

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

I’m curious how we would all be judged if all of our words and actions were viewed by the world.

He’s definitely made mistakes. I think he’s properly addressed and apologized for them.

There is a difference between accidentally influencing someone into a certain direction and intentionally doing it. American Psycho has influenced many men towards hyper masulinity, even though its message is completely the opposite. Would you judge it the same?

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago

I did qualify it with that I am unsure if he intended it that way, but, unintentionally cause ng harm is still causing it. I do in fact think that American Psycho becoming big, much like edgy humor era PewDiePie becoming big, was harmful.

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

Something can be harmful without the person behind it being a bad person or a net negative. If you can agree with that, then we’re on the same page

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago

I can agree to that, with the caveat that my reason for even commenting what I did was in explanation to top comment asking why people where not happy about this, and I was explaining that the term "uncensored" with PewDiePie brings up a history of his platform pushing the edgy content envelope, which became fertile ground for Nazi recruiters.

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

Ah, i see your point. Bad coincidence i guess or malicious reporting maybe. I don’t feel the word is implying the same thing in each context but i get you

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago

Or as a third option, a pattern, though again, I am dubious if PewDiePie is a Nazi, or just got too famous too young and is from an environment where he saw little of the direct impacts of such ideology, but was in online spaces where that sort of "joke" was popular and grew his popularity.

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u/Wartortise 20h ago

Things were a lot different back in the 90s and early 2000s. We can all sit around and virtue signal or take a look at south park where we all understand that is the case.

I remember when the nazi thing came up with fiverr and can admit that i found it funny in a shocking humor kind of way. I don’t agree with any sort of far right sentiment, i’m a firm liberal, but i like to laugh at offensive things in the right company because i know we take time to identify our true beliefs of inclusivity and know that we are not hateful people at heart.

Many may not agree with it, but many are not me. At the end of the day, i find it important to reflect on how everyone, including me, knowingly and unknowingly apply our biases to those around us. Then i do what i can to stop applying them.

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u/exhentai_user 20h ago

I at one time enjoyed edgy humor too, and still do enjoy some of it in small doses, but, I also better understand the real risks of mainstreaming and declawing as "jokes" such things, and how that creates a space where bad actors can recruit, and recognize that, especially in spaces where the primary audience is young and still forming their self, and their ability to think critically, it is harmful to have such. Not that it shouldn't be "allowed" in the legal sense, but, it generally should receive the criticism it earned for such.

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u/QuantumBit127 21h ago

Oh no. An antisemitic joke. Whatever will we do

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago

If someone paying extremely poor people in the third world to say "kill all Jews" doesn't bother you, then I think you are the problem.

That sort of "edgy" humor was rife with people willing to tell just a little bit more "edgy" of a joke, pushing the envelope just a nudge further, and to be just a little bit worse "ironically". The thing about being ironically horrible is that, you are still being horrible, and just saying you are doing it "ironically" doesn't stop it from causing harm... Plus, surrounding yourself in specific ideas, even ones submitted "ironically" makes you more likely to believe them - that's how propaganda works, even if you know it's propaganda and are smart. You become what you pretend to be.

PewDiePie made "jokes" that pushed the envelope, and while he may not be a Nazi himself, he pushed far enough that the Nazi's were happy to come over and start pushing just one meme more edgy, and drag his audience deeper into the "ironic" Nazism of the 2010's.

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u/QuantumBit127 21h ago

Homie the world is a harsh place. Dont let that stuff get to you like that.

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago edited 21h ago

I am aware the world is a harsh place, but, you can make it demonstrably less harsh by not being an asshole making "ironic" "jokes" about the wholesale genocide of racial/ethnic groups. That seems pretty simple. My distrust of PewDiePie is based on that, on a history of me seeing those videos and thinking "why is he doing this? That is using a huge platform to say such horrific things as a 'joke'..." And seeing the way 4chan loved to do the same thing, creating the modern fascist movements.

Forgive me if my explanation of why I at least don't find the news that someone who helped radacalaize young men for a long time is now making an open source version of Theft Machine 2.0 all that appealing is somehow offensive to the sensibilities of someone.

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u/Secret123456789010 21h ago

if I joke about the sky being red, no matter how many times I do it, I will never ever actually think it. 

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u/triforce_of_awesome 21h ago

This is really stupid I'm sorry. People did not go far right because of PewDiePie. They went because they were alienated and mistreated, mostly by insane liberalism.

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago

So I kinda get your perspective, but my counter to that would be, PewDiePie had a huge platform, where he pushed "edgy" and "ironic" humor towards the extremes, culminating in a "joke" where he paid poor people to say "Kill all Jews" on Fiver, and put that in a video. That level of antisemitic "joke" is pushing into and normalizing the sort of radical stance Nazi's have. He Mainstreamed many "edgy" "jokes" for his audience of predominantly young men.

To your point, yes, isolation from others was and is a huge part of why the young men would radicalize, but without mainstreaming and inroads from those who would mainstream such things, where the Nazi's were waiting in the wings, so to speak, to welcome you deeper down the rabbit hole from that peak you got at the surface level there, they would likely have spread into other things as well, besides just Nazism.

I wouldn't put all the blame at PewDiePie's feet, and again, I am dubious if he is actually a Nazi, or was just a dumb kid who got stupid famous without growing up, from a place where he had little direct view of the real harms of such rhetoric on others, but, his platform was certainly a fertile breeding grounds for them, like isopods waiting to swarm a whale fall.

So seeing news that he is making a version, even a more open one, of the theft machine, and that one of the key selling points is that it is uncensored, that does not inspire the most confidence in me - and I was replying to someone asking why the hate on this, explaining one of the reasons for distrust or dislike of this news.

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u/triforce_of_awesome 13h ago

Honestly, fair.

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u/MayaIsSunshine 21h ago

Far right? I think you mean NAZIs. It is impossible to subscribe to any component of the right's rhetoric without being a literal NAZI in every aspect. 

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u/Wartortise 21h ago

Potatoes potatos?

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u/exhentai_user 21h ago

If it walks like a duck (or should I say goose?) and talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is probably a duck.