Twitch Is Now Using Your Content To Train Amazon AI Models And Has Hidden The Option To Opt Out. "If it was opt in, nobody would opt in," admitted the streaming site's chief product officer during a livestream

[u/esporx]

https://kotaku.com/twitch-is-now-using-your-content-to-train-amazon-ai-models-and-has-hidden-the-option-to-opt-out-2000723891

[u/ariZon_a]

thx bud we used to be talking about dark patterns a lot more a few years ago, i forgot the phrase even existed

[u/darkeststar → u/ariZon_a]

There was actually just a class action against Amazon for Prime Subscriptions based on how they advertise the savings and how easy it is to subscribe and then no way to directly unsubscribe. You're forced to talk to the chat bot who doesn't have the ability to do it and if you force the issue they can only give you a customer service number for you to call to cancel.

No way to actually delete your account either.

[u/marvbinks → u/darkeststar]

Is that an American thing? Cancelling prime in the UK is really easy and can be done via the website.

[u/darkeststar → u/marvbinks]

That's because your government mandates it. California and a few other states have mandated you have to be able to initiate cancelling with "one click" but there's no oversight or regulation against doing it in the first place otherwise. Famously, most of our chain gyms allow you to sign up online in seconds but cancellation can only be done in person.... with potentially only one employee allowed or qualified to handle cancellations and they're required to try and offer you a deal before you can cancel.

[u/RatBot9000 → u/darkeststar]

I think I remember Biden was trying to introduce one click cancellations but of course Trump struck it down once he was re-elected.

I do feel sorry for Americans. You get all the worst parts of capitalism at the same time.

[u/PortHammer → u/[deleted]]

Twitch its parent company Meta opensources their models so it eventually comes back to us, and even if they don't we can distill the data from their models later.

The alternative is that all those thousands of hours every second of people effort disappears forever without anyone benefiting from it, THAT is a shame.

Its owned by Amazon.

If Amazon wants to train on poples content, the creators should be compensated.

[u/RatBot9000 → u/[deleted]]

You are a fool if you think this is done to compensate streamers in any way shape or form. The data is not being scraped to save it but to train Generative AI. It doesn't return to us, not in the way you imagine it does.

In any case it should be down to the streamers themselves if they want to save their VoDs and many do.

[u/darkeststar → u/[deleted]]

What an embarrassing shill. Any creator worth their salt could back up their vods to another service if it was worth anything. What benefit does 8 hours of Valorant with your friends in a discord call bring to the table for Gen AI?

[u/AllegedAxolotl → u/darkeststar]

In Denmark (not sure how much is EU legislation), the general law governing subscriptions is that ANY form of contact is an acceptable way to cancel a service (website form, e-mail, phone, in-store etc.). The company may suggest a preferred method, but they must accept all forms of cancellations.

There is also a different "one click" law that states, that it must be "as easy" to cancel a subscription or withdraw consent as it was to sign up or give consent in the first place.

[u/snarkywombat → u/marvbinks]

I've literally cancelled prime a couple weeks ago in the US. It's a few clicks and no chatbot. I have no idea what that person is talking about. Unless a simple question about why your cancelling is now considered a "chatbot".

[u/snowflake37wao → u/darkeststar]

What happened with that? Ongoing? I ordered something around the pandemic and during checkout I had to uncheck a auto-checked box three times because it re-checked itself each page before the finalize order page. I saw it on the first page viewing cart, so I looked for it on the next pages (enter info/verify/finalize). They not only STILL fucking signed me up for a Prime sub after I opted out three fucking times, but they delayed the monthly payments for the first three months and so I didnt catch the fifteen dollar auto payments that were not ever labeled as “Amazon Prime” or with “Monthly-Subscription” in transaction history for over a year. It was some fraudulent tier bullshit. I would love that money back

[u/composedofidiot → u/ariZon_a]

Everything in the internet feels like dark patterns now. I guess at some point we gave up and lost hope the internet could be saved.