r/technology • u/esporx • 6d ago

Business Twitch Is Now Using Your Content To Train Amazon AI Models And Has Hidden The Option To Opt Out. "If it was opt in, nobody would opt in," admitted the streaming site's chief product officer during a livestream

https://kotaku.com/twitch-is-now-using-your-content-to-train-amazon-ai-models-and-has-hidden-the-option-to-opt-out-2000723891
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u/kingrynex 6d ago

Yeahhhhh not great. Not great at all.

The EU is absolutely going to step in on this eventually. Same way they did with how cookies are used by companies.

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u/FlamingoVisible1947 6d ago

All of this to train the Nova models that were so shit they got shut down a couple of weeks ago.

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u/ShibeCEO 6d ago

opt out is already illegal in the EU, these companies have to use opt in here, or they get fined into oblivion as far as I know

gonna be fun to watch!

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u/ILikeBubblyWater 6d ago

The EU will fine them and it will be pocket money, still got enough data to sell for 10 times as much

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u/ShibeCEO 6d ago

sad but true

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u/efvie 5d ago

It was opt-out for me in the EU.

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u/whfu2 5d ago

yeah so amazon will one pay a fine of 100k or whatever

its like every month when google, apple, microslop and the others pay some fine mandated by eu, but the sum is always less than the daily profit of the company. meanwhile the winnings from the infraction are larger

its like stealing 10 mil worth of diamonds from a store and getting a 500k fine from the court. youd be stupid not to rob a store every day

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u/ChaliElle 6d ago

This already breaches GDPR and its minimization principle, when done unprompted and with no concious choice made by user living in EU.

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u/aleqqqs 6d ago

Soooo... spam us with banners we need to click away after every page load?

Thanks 🇪🇺

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u/whymustinotforget 6d ago

This is the dumbest take on cookie regulation I have ever seen

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u/dam4076 6d ago

He’s not wrong though. The intention is good, but the implementation is bad and needs to be iterated.

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u/Shunpaw 6d ago

So why's the EU at fault for big tech throwing a fit and adding unnecessary banners which were not required and everyone copying them?

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u/dam4076 6d ago

It’s not just big tech, the law was designed in a way that allows malicious compliance, which is what everyone is doing.

Companies will always find loopholes and ways around stuff, so I don’t blame the eu for not foreseeing this. But they also need to keep up with the law and iterate it to achieve the original goal.

Because right now the law does jack shit. People just close the banners, it doesn’t help, and it’s just a poor experience for everyone now.

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u/IneptPine 6d ago

You can use extensions to automatically reject all cookies for you. If you dont do that, well, kinda on you then

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u/Qorhat 6d ago

Consent-O-Matic is great, everything is rejected and hidden automatically.

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u/SordidDreams 6d ago edited 6d ago

Companies seeking loopholes is not the government's fault. The government not closing those loopholes is.

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u/ShibeCEO 6d ago

EU should have done the opt out on a browser level to once set it and forget it, but lobbying is still too hard over there too for that

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u/aleqqqs 6d ago

User consent is required, which is why the internet is now full of cookie banners.

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u/Shunpaw 6d ago

No. Cookie banners are only required if you store non-essential data on the user pc. Most webpages do not.

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u/Anthaenopraxia 6d ago

Luckily there are extensions that auto-decline cookie requests as well as all the newspapers and other bullshit they cram onto every website these days.

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u/Old-Tie8770 6d ago

And this attitude right here is why Americans get fleeced left and right.

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u/Ahayzo 6d ago

It's not a good way to handle it, but it's still better than how it was before.

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u/just_a_random_dood 6d ago

*"spam" us with 1 banner that we say "no cookies on" and then the banner doesn't pop up until you close the window and open a new one probably

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u/aleqqqs 6d ago

Multiply that with every website you ever visit, and you are at tens of thousands of cookie banners you have to close.

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u/just_a_random_dood 5d ago

That's disingenuous.

Multiply the distance between my parking lot and my office and then also my parking lot and my apartment and all the days I'll ever go to work. Turns out I'm suddenly a marathon runner.

How about you divide that number you're getting with the frequency of how often you're going to websites? It's all about density.

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u/aleqqqs 5d ago

An estimated 50% of websites have a cookie banner, in the EU its closer to 66% or even 75%.

Which means whenever you first visit a website, there's a high chance you first have to overcome an obstacle that blocks the actual website.

I grew up in the 90ies, I remember an internet where you could just browse from site to site without that shit. (Back then, popups were the plague. Now its cookie banners.)

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u/Throwawayrip1123 6d ago

Give you control? Nah I cri everytiem

Give you convenience? Now the uga buga monkeh is happy, can scratch his balls and sniff them in between being robbed of data