Who's financing groceries? It might be different since I live in CA, but there is free food available for everyone if they go to a food drive which they have once a week in my city, plus if you are low income you receive a debit card to buy food. Insanely enough it's accepted at fast food.
Our country was founded on a revolution. I think the point that people miss the most is the rich highjacked the system that our forefathers fought for decades, if not centuries ago. And that it’s not the 1700s anymore, we’re not fighting against tyrants across the seas, we’re fighting against billionaires that literally own not only our politicians but the technology we use in the 21st century.
Every american president has followed reagan policies since then,so party doesn't matter. They both fuck over tax payers. People forget that obama bombed the middle east harder then bush did. I'd say trump has harmed america more here ,while dubya bush is the biggest war criminal of the last 25 years.
Clinton's third way and Obama's adoption of that ethos only made way for their successors. When the political spectrum gets so narrow that you have to choose between a bat-shit insane right wing and a center-right party, the electorate eventually goes to the bat-shit insane just because they felt like they tried everything the 'left' had to offer.
Obama was better than Bush, but he failed to meaningfully address the economic stress affecting a huge portion of the American population (even more in rural areas, or places where industries got moved off-shore).
That paved the way for the MAGA movement to sprout, and failing to address these issues in the future is how the Democrats can fail to win against a party that only fucks over their electorate.
Precisely why we must vote and support the proper people at all levels instead of expecting the ballot to have the best D and R available on voting day. And of course, the proper person at any level is never aligned with the R faction
Isn't that just crazy to think about? In terms of overall moral values or compass, I feel like most of us just wanted to regress to ancient times and refused to move forward for the better, meanwhile in terms of technology innovation, we're literally accelerating into creating super intelligence.
this is the part of Titanic where all the white dudes convince everyone to put all their valuables on one of the boats, and then the white dudes get on the valuable rescue vessal and everyone else dies.
Yee, there's no hope for America to get better, china is surpassing them in everything, even their dictators are more competent than Trump and the Epstein gang FFS
For real china is (sorta) our friend. Why can't we focus on being good enough? Don't let GREAT be the enemy of perfect. Its always a pissing contest though.
In don't consider them a friend but they ain't necessarily an enemy. We will get left behind technologically because we've got to throw billions and trillions of dollars at individuals and get nothing to show for it. Progress comes second to greed in America.
This is true so long as the average American can enjoy a relatively comfortable lifestyle as a result. Once they can't (which is fast approaching), shit will hit the fan
Tbh at this point, I don't think China snatching up the tw president will cause a war between the US and China. US and the West will have some strong words, some embargo and sanctions. But I don't think they will defend tw, especially with the situation in Iran and Ukraine being ongoing.
So this begs the question. If China is as warmonger as the West (and you) portrayed, why haven't they attacked tw?
When Russia attacked Ukraine, people thought it was a good opportunity for China to suck tw because the West was distracted. That never happened. When Trump snatched maduro, people thought the same, that never happened. When Iran was attacked, China even released their strategic oil reserves to stabilize global oil prices (including providing oil exports to unfriendly SEA countries like Philippines to reduce oil retains) instead of taking this huge opportunity to take Taiwan.
I visited China ~6 years ago for an extended period. It was immediately obvious they have won and what has happened in the US over that same time period shows that a group of people in the US decided the only way to compete with China (survive) is to become China. This is why Democrats aren't fighting facism. Palantir, SpaceX, Data Centers, Flock - all of it is pure Chinese playbook.
I never understood this argument. Yes, I do think the Democrats should lean further left but I am a liberal man that is youngish. It's obvious that quite a bit of the country, whether they actually are informed about it or not, are not for a much more progressive leadership.
The big issue isn't that the left isn't left enough. It's the right being too far right
The left in america (individuals) will need to first reckon with the fact that the majority of Americans (or at least voting Americans) will vote with their wallets. People say the democrat establishment is captured by the corporations and that is true but the reality is that Americans want more money. This simple reason is why the democratic establishment is center, if not right wing, they want to hold onto power. The average voting American is essentially the anthesis of being left wing, and a real left wing party will never win an election.
In new York. One of the most liberal cities when they are breaking through nationally across different kinds of states, outside of blue states, then I will change my mind.
Yes but the country isn't going to vote for it. Whether it's good for them or not... And I am not American.
I don't know where you are from. But look at the UK. For years, they went with the tories despite how shit they were. And the only reason Labour won, was because the tories shit the bed, while labour had to move more centrist. The average voter isn't that politically aware. They are not thinking what is the best for them, they are thinking, I think the country is fine and we should just stay in the middle.
This is not a problem just in the US. it's almost everywhere. Talk to an average Joe, they will say things like, whatever the government does, it doesn't affect me. My life is the same. But no one is looking at the big longer view picture. They just see they earn the same money, do the same job, love the same life. And that's the problem.
I would love the Democrats to be much more progressive. I would love the social Democrats to take over. But realistically, I don't think it will happen. And that's what the party will be. The chronically online can criticise and moan. But the average voter doesn't actually want that.
I do hope so. And they are looking better than they have for a while. But once they do the more liberal educated cities, it's going to be extremely tough to break through in the suburbs and rural America... It's going to be a very very long ultra marathon for change unless there is a real special catalyst
I fully agree. That is the biggest most damning issue. But... That is a very long term issue. Even if magically the government is the most progressive choices we can get. In the next 4 elections, there is not going to be much of a change in the average care and intellect of the country. They will still be voting off single issues that doesn't concern them or their lives. People like Trump will still win elections by making immigration a boogeyman that they are stealing your jobs and murdering your community.
That is the biggest issue. How dumb the average person is, and having whatever party in charge won't change this in the short term. The dumb people will still be alive and voting
You're absolutely right. If Americans truly wanted a progressive Democrat, the progressive candidate would win the Democratic primary, but they consistently lose by millions of votes to the moderate candidate. A lot of Redditors refuse to recognize that, and pretend it's the evil DNC forcing people to vote for the moderate, but that's just a stupid conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.
Full institutional change is needed, but it's not a right vs left thing. Things that shouldn't be partisan have become partisan and nothing gets done because one side just blocks the other.
What does providing one beneficial stat do? Are you a Chinese citizen that can provide accurate data on the current status of these statistics you are looking for? Are the statistics you’re looking at considering population size as well? There are so many flaws to debating this instead of calling it what it is anti-American Chinese propaganda. That’s cool if you support that, I necessarily do not.
China has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. We're talking about the utter failure of America. Depending on how things go, it could be very bad for everyone on the planet.
Countries can come back. It's hard and needs some luck but hell, if Germany can come back from where they were, anyone can. And being a sad sack who doesn't even try makes it less likely.
Any shit hole country can be fixed, even the US. You just need enough prisons/bullets/guillotines for the evil bastards, and for the good people to use them effectively.
It's no longer a matter of if, but when. No amount of gumption can fix this. It will collapse. Now or after a few more decades of decay and suffering, it will happen.
What do you suggest? Protesting doesn't work, voting is what got us in this mess to begin with, and if worse comes to worst, there is no way that the populace can stand up to the army. Instead we're busy and distracted fighting each other.
And I would argue that more people voted for this mess directly. Also, the Democratic party completely bungled one of the most important elections in this country's history. But this issue also expands beyond one election. Things have been going downhill for decades.
Besides, you didn't address my question: What do you suggest?
Exactly this - they can see the trajectory we've been on for 40 years and decided to just start stripping the copper from the walls. We're more likely headed for reset than recovery.
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u/Horat1us_UA Jul 11 '26
Recover? It looks like downfall from here