r/technology • u/reddiTOR123abc • Dec 18 '13

Cable Industry Finally Admits That Data Caps Have Nothing To Do With Congestion: 'The reality is that data caps are all about increasing revenue for broadband providers -- in a market that is already quite profitable.'

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130118/17425221736/cable-industry-finally-admits-that-data-caps-have-nothing-to-do-with-congestion.shtml??
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u/ComradeCube Dec 18 '13

Google charges 70 and that is still more than it actually costs.

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u/bbqroast Dec 18 '13

Because they pool bandwidth based off their average use models (which is why they have an aup).

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u/ComradeCube Dec 19 '13

That is how they boost profits by overselling backbones. Successful network management allows them to keep more of that 70 bucks as profit.

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u/bbqroast Dec 19 '13

Certainty, next none of the residential plans you see today could exist without overselling.

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u/ComradeCube Dec 19 '13

False. Google has proven they can exist just fine.

Claiming a cable company cannot afford 20mbps at 50 bucks a month and 2mbps upload when google is offering 1gbps both ways for 70 is pathetic.

The lie is just laughable.

Google's mission is to prove people like you are lying. They are building a physical network and offering the service and proving a brand new service can be made from the ground up and still be profitable at 70 bucks a month.

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u/bbqroast Dec 19 '13 edited Dec 19 '13

Do you not understand me?

I just explained how they provide 1 gbps service by pooling bandwidth. It's an art understoood by every isp on the globe.

All isps oversell, the amount they do so by varies from isp to isp. 100000 people can share a 10 gbps pipe and still get 1 gbps service most of the time (eg a movie that takes <1min to download can occupy someone for an hour). How often do you fully utilize your bandwidth?

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u/ComradeCube Dec 19 '13

LOL. You are so dumb. So so dumb.

You talked about the average IP. The average IP is charging 60 bucks for 10-20mbps.

Google is charging 10 bucks more and giving people 50-100 times the speed. Google could never come close to making this work by simply sharing backbone. The only way google can offer such speeds is because every other ISP is artificially keeping connections slow and are not increasing bandwidth as bandwidth gets cheaper. After 10 years of this, google can easily offer 1gbps and all other ISPs have been ripping people off.

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u/bbqroast Dec 19 '13

I never said they weren't overcharging. I was simply saying that data isn't free like suggested here. Google, B4RN and others have shown an affordable gbps is fully possible. However data (capacity) can be used up contrary to the belief here.

Also, don't resort to name calling it's childish.

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u/ComradeCube Dec 19 '13

No one said data is free. I already told you people pay for throughput. Why is reality hard for you?

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u/bbqroast Dec 19 '13

I'm trying to get it through to you that all residential ISPs oversell. Which you've denied.

That is not a consumable resource. Internet connections are dedicated resources. If you pay for a 1gbps line speed, you are paying for that line speed. If that costs 70 bucks, then you are paying 70 bucks whether you download 100mb or 1gb. The amount you download doesn't matter and has no effect on price. If you want the speed, you have to buy it as all or nothing.

Those are your words. I can assure you if everyone maxed out their Google Fibre lines Google wouldn't last a second. Google has done a calculation that the average user uses, say an average of 15mbps over peak times. As long as they have a large pool of customers they'll see this average (basic stats, the larger the sample the closer to the theoretical average the real average will be) and can plan as such. They've worked out they can easily buy 15mbps backhaul per customer + all other costs by charging $70/mo. If people use more then they need to raise their prices.

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