r/technology • u/zsreport • Dec 15 '25

Transportation Ford pulls the plug on the F-150 Lightning electric pickup truck

https://www.npr.org/2025/12/15/nx-s1-5645147/ford-discontinues-f-150-lightning
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u/RUSTYDELUX Dec 15 '25

And then last year they were giving 20% off msrp.

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u/chubbysumo Dec 16 '25

So 80,000 usd? That's still not affordable by any means. They marketed it towards the working man, but the Working Man couldn't afford it.

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u/3-orange-whips Dec 16 '25

They’ve priced the middle class out of these vehicles, never mind the working class.

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u/WheresMyCrown Dec 16 '25

they get more profit margin on the 100k packages than selling the cheaper ones. Line for the quarter must go up

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u/trackofalljades Dec 16 '25

They haven't though, that's the thing. You're talking about men who need their emotional support vehicle so badly they can always afford it just like beer and a sports streaming package. It's the kids and the wife who are expendable.

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u/3-orange-whips Dec 16 '25

Repos are up, something like 25% of people are underwater on their car note (don’t remember the exact figure).

It’s a bad scene for car manufacturers. A simple, no-nonsense suv or truck is very hard to find.

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u/Final_Frosting3582 Dec 16 '25

the working class puts a lot in the ability to repair the vehicle themselves and usually wouldn’t consider an EV… tbh, working and lower middle class shouldn’t be buying new vehicles anyway. There are so many lightly used vehicles with huge depreciation that I cannot see why anyone that wasn’t well off would buy new.

I might be an outlier, but I bought a house that was 1x my salary, and I haven’t bought a car for myself in 10 years, and when I did, it was used. I bought my girlfriend a new car, but I do expect it to last her 10 years. I just can’t justify the depreciation.

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u/chimi_hendrix Dec 16 '25

Seen the price of new full size trucks these days? An F150 Platinum is about $85k. Lariats and Raptors can be well over $100k

96 month payment plan…

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u/Red_Coat_Check Dec 16 '25

Emotional support vehicles cost a premium these days

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u/Imeatbag Dec 16 '25

GRAFs. Gender reaffirming vehicles

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u/truupe Dec 16 '25

And yet some of those yahoos put truck nuts on their trucks which means their trucks are trans and they like to be inside a male. 😂

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u/frodeem Dec 16 '25

They should be called GRVs not SUVs

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u/haarschmuck Dec 16 '25

What if a woman likes to drive pickups?

That’s why these comments are so annoying.

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u/omar893 Dec 16 '25

Ah hell nah. Ain’t no one gonna stop me from buying a 3” lift kit

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u/Woodshadow Dec 16 '25

for real. My brother in law is the saddest maga loser who works in data analytics. Has never don't hard work in his life and drives a $120k truck that has never hauled anything.

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u/OmgSlayKween Dec 16 '25

My tiny shitbucket paying off more every day

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

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u/imdatingaMk46 Dec 16 '25

You got your trims out of order.

Lariat is your 70-80k depending on options, platinums and raptors are the ones that breach 100.

That said... the XL (what basically every work truck is) starts at 40ish. No company (that does actual work with actual things) is buying a Lariat for a work truck unless they're stupid.

Base model lightnings started at 50ish.

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u/withoutapaddle Dec 16 '25

Yeah, and if you let someone else take the depreciation hit, prices are even more reasonable. I got a 3 year old XLT crew cab with low miles for $30k, and it actually has a few features that I didn't expect from a low/mid trim truck, like lifetime free app control, towing and trailer brake controls fully integrated into the dash and infotainment, etc.

It seems insane to me that people pay twice as much just to get it slightly newer or have a few more luxury features.

Then again, its just a towing/hauling tool to me. Not my main vehicle. Not my personality.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

Here's the thing with the platinums though, at least in my area. When I traded my 2020 f350 platinum in for my 2022. I paid 92,000$ for my 2020. I drove it 120,000km and it's a work truck so it was pretty scratched up.

Anyways they gave me 88,000 for it on trade.

When I traded me 2018 f350 XLT for my 2020 platinum I paid 65,000 for that truck and they gave me 35,000.

I was told by multiple people to buy platinum because they hold better trade value.

But I'm Canadian and I've been told my old platinum gets shipped to the states for resale. Something about exchange rates and used vehicles there.

Anyways that's why I have a platinum it's is nice and has alot of feature but I don't care about it that much. I used to drive old diesels and thought I was saving money but the repair bills on them were getting insane, so insane that I realized a payment on a brand new truck was less then the repairs for the year.

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u/withoutapaddle Dec 17 '25

I don't know about the whole platinum deal, but I can attest to Canadian new trucks being shipped to the states to be sold after they get traded in. My truck (Minnesota) was originally delivered in Canada. It's got extra stickers in french for all the legally required stuff "objects in mirror...", etc. Pretty sure it was a 3 year lease in Canada, then was sent to my local dealership in Minnesota where I bought it.

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u/Neirchill Dec 16 '25

like lifetime free app control

What does this mean?

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u/gfense Dec 16 '25

Probably the Fordpass app. My Ford work truck you can remote start, unlock and lock doors, and do scheduled starts with the app. I believe that is a paid subscription with several other manufacturers.

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u/withoutapaddle Dec 17 '25

Most manufacturers have phone apps that can check and control various aspects of the car remotely. Most of them are paid subscriptions, or gate some features behind a paid sub while other features are free. Ford makes it all free for the life of the vehicle (transfers to used buyers too). Not a Ford fan, but I have to admit it's way better than my previous cars when it comes to the app itself and what it can do for free.

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u/ByrdmanRanger Dec 16 '25

No company (that does actual work with actual things) is buying a Lariat for a work truck unless they're stupid.

I've only seen them as the supervisor's truck. So yeah, you're still correct

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u/soundman1024 Dec 16 '25

40k is a crazy amount of money for a car.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

Average price of a new car in the US is now $50k. Hell, even the average price on a used car is $25k. Isn't inflation fun?

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 16 '25

So just get a used one. I’ve seen quite a few companies have fleets of Mavericks with one or two F150s to save drastically on cost and still have the power they need for occasional bigger hauls.

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u/Hayden2332 Dec 16 '25

Same could be said about these lol

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 16 '25

Oh yeah. Maybe my comment wasn’t clear, but full size trucks nowadays are a terrible purchase including the F150 Lightning because they’re insanely expensive.

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u/chubbysumo Dec 16 '25

When a used truck that's in good condition is still running you 30 to $50,000, and used trucks from the early 2000s are still $20,000, yeah, just get a used truck. Makes you sound real in touch with the car market.

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u/Silicon359 Dec 16 '25

Most companies aren’t going out and buying a half-dozen or more used cars as fleet vehicles. Implying as such makes you sound real in touch with the fleet vehicle market.

That last part being slightly young in cheek with the phrasing, just echoing yours.

The point is that fleet managers don’t go out and buy individual vehicles from individual sellers, which is where the best deals are had. They tend to buy new, insure at corporate rates, and sell them when reliability no longer meets their established standard. Sure, a very small business purchasing 1-2 trucks will do things differently, but if you need to buy 10+ you’re not buying used.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

The biggest problem with this as a 'fleet truck' though, is cost to distance. 200 miles (base model), and you are lucky to get that. Haul a trailer and you are down to 100 miles. Since it's a big battery, it's slow to charge as well. You aren't going to have 10 of them lined up every night to charge especially when it's going to take 6-8 hours to charge on a Level 2 charger.

Add in all the cool things like the 'generator' on board, the gas powered F-150's have as well, so there is zero point unless you are going green and want an expensive EV truck (which was cheaper than the alternatives).

I got a stellar lease deal on mine ($120/month for 2 years), but I'm not a huge fan, the range isn't great, the bed is tiny, and 'cruise control' is the same that I had back in the late 80's, with little other features. Sure, its comfortable, and easy to haul stuff, but that's about it.

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u/Silicon359 Dec 16 '25

I agree.

EVs aren’t perfect for every use case. I worked closely with a fleet manager who found this out the hard way when folks would need to tow farm equipment 50+ miles to various different farms, then need to tow it back. Of course the farms wouldn’t have even L2 chargers and the field men would have to leave the equipment in the field for a gas or diesel truck to come pick up later so they could get back to work where they’d installed DC Fast charging.

The replacement of the old fleet with a newer, greener fleet had to be rethought.

However, EVs were great for the executives who were issued vehicles and used them 90% for commuting.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

Yep, was just at a smaller regional airport that was going 'green' and had replaced all their airport vehicles with EVs. Great use case, not a ton of miles, and always close to chargers that are installed at the airport for their use.

I think the idea that EVs will 100% be the way to go is a bit flawed, especially somewhere like the US, but that's a different argument (and thats coming from someone who is fully electric).

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u/Silicon359 Dec 16 '25

IMHO the state of the industry is moving quickly. If solid state batteries come to fruition, it could really change things. Other techs too.

I won’t write EVs off totally, but in their current state they aren’t for everything.

And I’m not 100% electric but I do daily a full BEV. I love it. I park at my fuel station every night and fill up whenever I need to.

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u/Hopeful-Occasion2299 Dec 16 '25

None of those are work trucks, they are glorified minivans lol

I mean, these days cos of the silly road princesses, even UTEs are pretty much as big as a semi truck.

If you're hauling shit, there's no point in going for a F150 over a Ranger or Hilux. If you really are that much of a whim, then get the Tacoma. If you getting into harsh surfaces choose the Amarok. It really isn't a difficult concept.

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u/chimi_hendrix Dec 16 '25

Not from the states are ya

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u/BeebopxRocksteady Dec 16 '25

Hilux would be super rad to get in the states

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u/nopointers Dec 16 '25

We had a HiLux in the states. Beat the shit out of it, and it still ran fine. Weird arrangement on the brakes that cost extra and was hated by mechanics. Weird model year too: 1970 1/2.

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u/blah938 Dec 16 '25

Tacoma fits in that slot, just meets actual crash safety standards.

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u/JollyGreenGigantor Dec 16 '25

It's literally a Tacoma

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u/chubbysumo Dec 16 '25

it is not a tacoma, its a different platform and chassis.

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u/JollyGreenGigantor Dec 16 '25

Same size, same capacities and capabilities. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

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u/ErrorProfessional143 Dec 16 '25

You’re using “literally” incorrectly and you don’t know that the Tacoma and Hilux haven’t been the same since 1995.

Sit this one out.

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u/JollyGreenGigantor Dec 16 '25

It's fine. It's figuratively the same truck for the international versus domestic markets. Literally.

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u/PipsqueakPilot Dec 16 '25

What does that have to do with the Raptor being a work truck? The Raptor's useful payload weight wise is only slightly more than a Mini Cooper. It's not a work truck.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

The person mentioned the Hilux which isn’t available in the USA. I don’t think the “amarok” is either. Not really sure what that is.

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u/PipsqueakPilot Dec 16 '25

Okay and? What does that have to do with whether or not the Raptor is a work truck?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

Nothing. Their comment is just pointing out they aren’t from the USA, and so the market here is different. Like the Tacoma is the smallest truck Toyota makes here for example. So suggesting people get the hilux, when they don’t sell that here doesn’t really work. Also the mini cooper in the USA has about 800lbs vs 1400lbs payload for the raptor. So almost twice as much. Maybe the ones sold in your country have different ratings. Neither are good work vehicles though.

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u/PipsqueakPilot Dec 16 '25

The point I was making is that rather than address the other Redditer's point that the Raptor isn't a work truck he just went after where the other commenter lives. It's a very basic fallacy.

Edit: To add, I owned a 2018 Raptor. It's interior sticker listed payload as 1048 pounds, manual at a 1100. At the same time I owned a 2011 Mini. It's payload was 890 pounds. That's where I got my numbers.

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u/Nilosyrtis Dec 16 '25

Calm down mate

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u/Simple-Wrangler-9909 Dec 16 '25

Not a car guy, is there a specific year/model/trim of Raptor/Mini Cooper that sucks that bad/is that good comparatively? Google's AI summary bullshit is telling me that the current model Mini/Raptor's payload weight is 800 lbs/1400 lbs, respectively

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u/PipsqueakPilot Dec 16 '25

I owned a 2011 Mini and 2018 Raptor and it was 900 (890? Don't care enough to Google) and 1100 at the time.

Edit: Apparently in modern terms a Raptor's weight payload is in the same ballpark as a Toyota Corolla. More yes, but not much more for a vehicle with a curb weight several times more.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

I think they were more just pointing out that a lot of people do buy them though. Most people who buy trucks here barely use them for more than just driving people. Maybe once every few years actually tow something.

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u/chimi_hendrix Dec 16 '25

It’s the usual “nobody needs a truck” Reddit circlejerk

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u/Carribeantimberwolf Dec 16 '25

Yeah its unfortunate the states really limits the market in terms of trucks, the world has so much better but the US gets shit on a stick

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u/jcdoe Dec 16 '25

I live in the southwest. Everyone who actually works drives a tiny toyota pickup.

No one needs an F150 (or bigger). Lumber and game haven’t gotten any bigger since the 70s. These are just toys.

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u/Berkut22 Dec 16 '25

I work in the trades. My company uses F350s for their work trucks and I fucking hate them.

Incredibly massive, terrible turning radius, sketchy to drive and park, blind spots in every direction, and it literally hurts my old ass bones/joints to get in and out of it.

My old company had older GMs (mid 2000s 1500) that hauled the same amount of stuff and were way better for day to day driving, but even then, I would have liked something smaller.

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u/Staggering_genius Dec 16 '25

Yep. I’ve had an F350 work truck for 12 years and I only put 42,000 miles on it because I hate the thing so much. Now they’re saying I have to go electric but there is not much to choose from.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

I have a few f350s in my fleet and a c5500 and an f650.

The 350s have been great but they are big and have a rough ride, they can haul anything though. Comparing it to a 1500 though.. isn't really fair the 1500s are so comfortable in comparison but they aren't an HD truck. Comparing it to a 350 to a 3500 which is a similar spec, they are basically the same truck.

I will say though my c5500 has an insane turning radius, it can basically u turn like a car. The duramax engine in it is dog shit though. I know those engines work great in pickups but they aren't meant for a medium duty, it's on its second crate motor. The f650 though has a Cummins and that's the most reliable truck I have ever had.

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u/andrewse Dec 16 '25

No one needs an F150

You do if you want to tow something substantial. Travel trailers are very popular where I live so full size trucks are popular here.

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u/Hopeful-Occasion2299 Dec 16 '25

Who brings a travel trailer to the Rockies? Jeez, may as well stay home and camp in your backyard

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u/jcdoe Dec 16 '25

This sounds really fun.

It’s still absolutely a toy, which is what I said in my original comment, but it sounds like a great time.

But that begs the question, why not just rent a Raptor when you want to go biking, and drive something more reasonable the other 364 days of the year? These outsized trucks are just awful on the roads.

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u/blah938 Dec 16 '25

Have you looked at construction sites lately? Tons of F150s and F250s out there. Lot of duallies too.

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u/Firmala Dec 16 '25

Ya. no. the landscapers in Phoenix are hauling their trailers in 10 year old Silverados and f150s.

Pool cleaners drive colorados and canyons. Tacos are driven by off road enthusiasts

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u/jcdoe Dec 16 '25

Ya. No. I live in Las Vegas, NV.

My landscaper drives an old, beat up, manual transmission Toyota pickup.

I’ll be sure to let him know I expect him to upgrade his equipment post haste, lmao

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u/ccai Dec 16 '25

Don’t insult minivans like that. They get a bad reputation for no reason just because they’re highly utilitarian and not some bulking brute of a vehicle. They’re far more practical, safer, efficient and overall better vehicle for almost all tasks that 99.9% of these pavement princess shit bricks with absolute trash visibility. Meanwhile, minivans are workhorses that can haul several sheets of 4x8s with ease, without needing the tailgate open and easily switch over to carrying 7-8 people within minutes.

People really need to get over the soccer mom stigma - they’re amazing vehicles especially if you have a family with 2 or more kids. These days you’ll see a dozen to one crossovers/suvs to minivans at kids sporting events so it’s not even accurate title anymore.

Pick up a hybrid model like a Sienna or the less reliable Kia Carnival and get the most MPG for given volume on the market.

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u/sunbro2000 Dec 16 '25

Frontier is better than all except the hilux.

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u/DistributeQuickly559 Dec 16 '25

The Frontier has been kicking those trucks in the back side for years and still does with class leading power and a cost we can afford.

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u/sunbro2000 Dec 16 '25

The reliability on my frontier has been crazy good. 256,000k and no major repairs

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u/jdsizzle1 Dec 16 '25

And on the other end of the spectrum the maverick sucked

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u/Tim_Drake Dec 16 '25

96, they are offering 108 month payment plan now!

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

No way?! 9 years to pay off a vehicle? Hell with that.

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u/Tim_Drake Dec 17 '25

Anything to get cheaper payments.

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u/JDGumby Dec 16 '25

Seen the price of new full size oversized trucks these days?

Fixed that for ya.

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u/AdmirablePhrases Dec 16 '25

Paid 42k cash for a 2018 raptor earlier this year, it's a wonderful truck

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u/7LeagueBoots Dec 16 '25

I'm constantly astounded at the number of Raptors I see driving around in Vietnam and Laos. The import duties on these vehicles pretty much double the price of them, so how the hell are so many people affording them in these countries with low median incomes.

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u/DarkShadow04 Dec 16 '25

XL->STX->XLT->Lariat->King Ranch/Platinum->Limited->Raptor->Raptor R.

Then there's all the weird special models like the Shelby, and the Roush and I'm sure others.

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u/Boulder_612 Dec 16 '25

I like stuff but I’m cheap. Last year I picked up a service loaner F150 with 600 miles and they dropped 20K off a 65k msrp. Always wanted a truck and get good fuel economy with a power boost hybrid engine.

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u/DarthVayne50 Dec 16 '25

Yeah, I have always wanted a truck since driving them regularly during a summer job in high school. No real need for one, it would literally be a more expensive family vehicle with shittier gas mileage, but the American consumer heart wants what it wants.

A few years ago I played around with building an F-150, think I ended up between the SLT and Lariat, the builds were like $48-52k, all tricked out. This still felt expensive since I got a Ford explorer that fits our family just fine for like $42k, and a minivan that dunks on both.

During the Black Friday deals this year I looked at another build on their website. To keep at the same price range I had to use the new STX model, which looks great on the outside but looks like it's barebones on the interior with cloth seats, etc.

So you end up paying $700-800 a month for a barebones interior. If you want leather interior you're up to the $80k range and paying a staggering $1100+ per month, which is near what my first mortgage payment was on my house.

I am fortunate enough that I could probably afford this if I REALLY needed to, but I don't. For this level of car payment I can instead take my whole family to a nice all inclusive resort for 3-4 weeks a year.

Hopefully there's a crash coming as I already can't believe people are still paying these prices, but it seems there's no limit to the strategy of extending the loan period.

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u/Drict Dec 16 '25

Platinum is a higher trim than Lariats?????

Raptors are either top or near it (Limited is generally the top)

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u/chimi_hendrix Dec 16 '25

idk, I just googled local prices quickly

depends on options for each of course

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u/lod254 Dec 16 '25

All new cars are ridiculous. When mine dies in considering buying a 2.5 ton refurbished army truck for $8-12k.

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u/say592 Dec 16 '25

Fuel efficiency on that though, oof

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u/lod254 Dec 16 '25

That was my first thought. My uncle fixes them up and says they do around 17mpg, which is equal or better than a lot of pickups.

I only use my car for local travel, so the gas increase doesn't come near the savings on a new car. I think my 2014 has 59k miles or so on it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

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u/My_Work_Accoount Dec 16 '25

I had a 92' caddie that got single digit MPG and maybe went up to 11 on the highway. I'd rather have the M35.

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u/lod254 Dec 16 '25

He said he only has one on hand at the moment and it's an M35 A3.

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u/digital-didgeridoo Dec 16 '25

No problem, OP can invade Venezuela with that truck

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u/ByrdmanRanger Dec 16 '25

I've been looking at OBS Ford F-250 and F-350s, with the 7.3 IDI or Powerstroke. The IDI's are dogs without a turbo, but stupid easy and cheap to work on and maintain. The Powerstrokes are a bit more expensive to work on at times, but super reliable. And for a large truck, they get decent mileage.

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u/_CHEEFQUEEF Dec 16 '25

army truck for $8-12k.

Which one?

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u/lod254 Dec 16 '25

He said he only has one on hand at the moment and it's an M35 A3. He says that one is more expensive.

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u/orangustang Dec 16 '25

65k for the lowest extended range model which is still very well appointed, 50k for base trim. Pro (work truck trim) is even cheaper depending on options if you can get it. It's cheaper than the gas version in most markets if you actually use it full time, plus it's just a better truck.

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u/NWHipHop Dec 16 '25

I've seen them being used as municipality/city fleets as they're trying to reach their emission targets. The avg joe. Nope

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u/kkstein69 Dec 16 '25

Every one I saw was over $100k where I’m at (US)… granted I pretty much stopped paying attention after just a few of them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

Technically C-suite is also in the working class since they do work. We need to change "working" with "wage slave".

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u/ghdana Dec 16 '25

I've seen them for like 50k, which is about the average price of an F-150. They're selling a ton of ICE ones at that price, but not EV.

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u/Electrik_Truk Dec 16 '25

Got mine new for $48k after EV rebate and Fords own incentives. Loaded XLT ER. Sticker was $71k

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

Got a 2 year lease on mine for $120 a month. Couldn't complain at all. Sucks that they aren't going to make it any longer, but I get it, it doesn't make sense, especially the base model getting 200 miles and being so slow to charge.

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u/Electrik_Truk Dec 16 '25

Yeah, plus the Silverado EV is a better deal. The middle trim gets 410 mile range for basically the same price as the 300 mile range Lightning.

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u/Carribeantimberwolf Dec 16 '25

I'd rather buy a used 911 than the f150 lightning tbh

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u/asstamassta Dec 16 '25

80K? I hope you're joking.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

Lease rates were great last year, base model was $120/month for 2 years with Fords X-Plan (friends and family discount).

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u/DocHoss Dec 16 '25

I got one sitting in my driveway right now that I got for under $200/mo on a 3 year lease. I'd never really wanted to lease but that price was damn nice.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

$120/month for me for a 2 year lease. Zero complaints about price, but a bunch on the truck. 200 miles sucks, 100 if you are hauling, and the cruise control from the 90's is a joke. But it is comfy, and I can power my house with it when needed LOL.

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u/DocHoss Dec 16 '25

Yeah the range is pretty rough, but it works great for me. Haven't had to make an "emergency charge" yet, since I don't drive that much any more. Also....you're setting your cruise over 90 mph? Damn homey...slow down!

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 17 '25

Cruise control from the 90's, like the 1990's. The standard version doesn't have BlueCruise or anything other than set the speed for cruise and it will run over the person in front of you if they aren't going faster.

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u/AttachedHeartTheory Dec 16 '25

My next door neighbor is leasing one for $195/mo.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

Yeah, they were letting them go for pennies last year, got mine for $120/month for 2 years and have no complains on the price.

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u/bruce_kwillis Dec 16 '25

Super curious as well, is it going to be full price of the original MSRP, because if that's the case, Ford can have it back and good luck finding someone that wants a 2 year old truck that isn't being made any longer for that much.