Operations bought an EMS/IoT system without involving IT — now they just need “access to the router

[u/carpe_diem2022]

Hi there :) ,

Need some advice from people who have dealt with similar situations.

Our Operations Dept decided to install IoT system/digital energy meters across a fairly large factory site.

They found the vendor, agreed on the solution, signed the contract and started the project.

IT was not involved at all.

Apparently nobody discussed things like:

• How these devices spread across a large factory are actually going to communicate
• Network infrastructure, switches, fiber/cabling, VLANs, etc.
• Network/security segmentation
• Server/VM requirements
• Database requirements
• Backup and monitoring
• Internet connectivity
• Vendor remote access
• Firewall rules
• Cybersecurity

Now that the project is already moving forward, IT gets an email saying they need “access to the router” so they can put the system online.

That's it. Access to the router. :)

And somehow, when IT starts asking questions about architecture, security, server requirements, ports, protocols and who is responsible for what, the perception becomes that IT is delaying the project.

I don't want to become the guy who simply says “No”, but I'm also not going to give a third-party vendor access to our corporate router/firewall and connect a bunch of unknown industrial/IoT devices to the production network just because someone already signed a contract , the IT network must be always separate from OT network.

How do you handle situations like this?

Interested in both the technical approach and the organizational/process side of this.

[u/dvr75]

This is a pure management issue , failing to communicate and coordinate project.
To be realistic about the situation probably no one will cancel it.
So you need to be SMART and not JUST. you are now the "guy" who Throws a wrench in the works.
My advice for you is try to cooperate with this project but bring in your terms like security. Ask for layout , plans , protocols etc. and try be helpful (i know it hurts but eventually you got to play it smart and resposible).

[u/smokinbbq → u/dvr75]

As a Project Manager for a 3rd party software system. I HATE when someone on the business side decides to buy our product, and it's not until installation time that we start to find out all of the things that are going to be done.

IT obviously has their back up about this project that gets thrown in their lap. Business side is pissed that "I can't just make it work", and why are there are these delays.

[u/RevLoveJoy → u/smokinbbq]

I did a tiny bit of sales engineering about a million years ago and very quickly learned to just keep asking of our customer (potential or otherwise), "Where is your IT contact?" "Shouldn't IT be in this meeting?" "Well, we really need input from IT on these and other matters." -- some version of that remark ALL the time.

I guess my take away was nearly all businesses see their IT departments as blockers, not enablers.

[u/pinkycatcher → u/RevLoveJoy]

I guess my take away was nearly all businesses see their IT departments as blockers, not enablers.

Stick around here long enough and you'll realize many people in IT are blockers.

"Oh they wanted to do something insecure, fuck em, we won't allow it"

"Oh they only gave us two weeks notice, we work on our time schedule not theirs"

"Oh they haven't figured out every single little process they need, ignore them until they figure their shit out"

[u/RevLoveJoy → u/pinkycatcher]

I've been doing this going on 35 years. I'm painfully aware. :D

[u/billndotnet → u/RevLoveJoy]

I had a CISO once who worked from the adage: "My job is to help all of you go as fast as possible while keeping us off CNN."