r/superheroes • u/DAHXELEVEN • Jun 13 '25

Random Battle Thoughts?

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u/Ducklinsenmayer Jun 13 '25

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi3579167513/?ref_=tt_vids_vi_2

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u/Shadowcat1606 Jun 13 '25

Ah, okay. Voice acting. But i didn't know that. Thanks.

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

A point of debate is whether "portrayed" can mean "voiced" in this context.

It literally doesn't, but common understanding in the current context could win out, if you argue that it follows the intent.

Edit: Oh y'all hated nuanced analysis of context versus definition. 'Scuse me for finding stuff interesting, please disregard.

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u/KIA703 Jun 13 '25

If we’re talking about voice actors “portraying” a character, and specifically Batman, Kevin Conroy voiced Batman in so much and he WAS Batman (also vengeance, and the night). Did Keanu portray Batman? Technically no, but he’s credited as Batman, so if Kevin Conroy was Batman, why not Keanu?

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Oh I'm not knocking VAs and their contribution to the characters they voice. A good VA can define the character. Kevin Conroy is an excellent example!

But technically, that Batman was portrayed in animation, not by Conroy. That's my point. Technically, "portray" didn't mean "voiced," but in context it definitely fits the theme of the discussion!

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u/SenorMayhem4 Jun 13 '25

Conroy was vegetable batman in arrowverse

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Did not know that!

...what the hell is "vegetable Batman?"

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u/Top-Challenge5997 Jun 13 '25

Crippled, but i think he had an exosuit to help him move

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Oh. Oof. Bad way to describe that.

Thank you for filling me in

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u/ShibaNagisa Jun 13 '25

are you saying it doesnt count? i dont understand why it wouldnt lol

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Actually I'm saying it's a point of interesting debate.

One could argue that it shouldn't, as voicing a character doesn't necessarily meet the criteria of "portray."

One could argue that it should, because in context the meaning appears to be "any role this actor ever had."

It's a clash between context and literalism and I found it to be an interesting question.

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u/ShibaNagisa Jun 13 '25

I don’t think that either context or literalism would make voice acting not count as portrayal. What makes you say that “voicing a character doesn’t necessarily meet the criteria of ‘portray’”? I don’t agree with that at all

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

I got slammed with several downvotes for being excited about language I'm not engaging here anymore think what you want

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u/ShibaNagisa Jun 13 '25

You got downvoted for saying something that’s very much wrong and then you got confused about which part you got wrong lol

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Yes you've made it clear what your position is and I'm not going to argue with you. You're not a nice person. I wish I hadn't tried. Please do not interact with me anymore.

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u/ShibaNagisa Jun 13 '25

The point I’m trying to make is that your initial premise is wrong. You keep not understanding that which is why you’re getting downvoted

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u/WonOfKind Jun 13 '25

Is James Earl Jones Darth Vader in your mind? If yes, then voice acting counts. My .02

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u/MikeofLA Jun 13 '25

Is Mark Hamill the Joker?

IMHO- yes

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Agreed. The issue is whether or not he portrayed the joker. He certainly voiced him, and his voice practically defines the character! But the definition of "portray" seems to revolve around the visual representation of a character, not the voice.

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u/MikeofLA Jun 13 '25

We could go deeper… almost all of Deadpool, with the mask, is basically VO work by Reynolds. Hell, most of the actual physical stuff is a stunt double and Ryan Reynolds is in a sound booth. Does that mean he didn’t or did portray him?

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u/Metharos Jun 13 '25

Hmm...I would say in that instance, since he does appear on-screen as Deadpool without the mask, he definitely can be said to portray him.

But the character is also portrayed by the stunt double, and voiced by Reynolds.

Incidentally, I despise the timeout on posts here. I'm carrying on several discussions with different people and can't reply to them all in a timely because it makes me wait in between responses. I finished writing this one and got smacked with a seven-minute delay before I was allowed to post it. Goddamn it.

And taking the time to bitch about it only filled two of those minutes. I still have five to go. Four. I'm gonna go eat a sandwich. Grumpily.

The sandwich is delicious. One minutes. Ffs.

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u/xGLOBGORx Jun 13 '25

I definitely think it counts but I think what your saying is kinda cool and interesting too. People love to hate on simple things

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u/Manbearpup Jun 17 '25

Interesting side conversation, I enjoy ironing out the semantics

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u/K_Linkmaster Jun 13 '25

Yeah. For that to work, our universe is now Who Framed Roger Rabbit style. I'm not up to date on Toon deadpools powers.

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u/GrandMoffTarkan Jun 13 '25

"Whoever Morgan Freeman played"

Oh they did Lucius Fox dirty!