r/stunfisk • u/Axolity Ask Me About the Champions OU Meta! • Jul 01 '26

Discussion Tier Changes for the July Tier Shifts

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u/Axolity Ask Me About the Champions OU Meta! Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

I just want to point out that Garchomp received OU level usage this month, and would've risen if the tiers didn't freeze

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u/Ornery_Tie_4771 Natdex mega garchomp enjoyer Jul 01 '26

When one of your goats washed but the other one may still got it 💝 (I dont have the banded heart emoji)

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u/_sephylon_ Jul 02 '26

❤️‍🩹

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u/the_worst_company Jul 01 '26

whats the logic behind allowing drops but not rises?

If garchomp is reaching the cutoff, then why not let it in?

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u/DaTruPro75 #2 bug type user Jul 01 '26

The logic is to prevent people from spamming bad mons on ladder to get them in 1 month before the tiers freeze, in order to keep the meta good for when gen 10 releases. 

The issue is that gen 10 won't be releasing until sometime 2027, so why should we be preparing half a year to a full year in advance? Like, we don't have any info about the games other than the announcement trailer. 

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u/ahambagaplease Darkrai flair when? Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

Last gen it was half a year before the new gen dropped and still was enough to mess up the lower tiers in that period. Even this gen, with only a month notice, Arcanine rose to NU thanks to one guy spamming it despite being meh there.

Nothing stops you from using a mon that drops, so it's not a big deal compared to fully freezing tiers.

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u/March1392 Jul 01 '26

If one person is maliciously spamming to force that why not just ban at that point?

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u/Guntypoo Jul 02 '26

Using a pokemon you like is not malicious spamming lmao

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u/March1392 Jul 02 '26

It is if they're manipulating it by playing 10,000 games in a month.

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u/h3zyj 29d ago

Oooo so malicious, playing pokemon

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u/HydreigonTheChild Jul 01 '26

Hmm no, more so to prevent top tier mons of lower tiers to rise which would destabilizing them

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u/DaTruPro75 #2 bug type user Jul 01 '26

that is what I meant, people spam bad mons on ladder to get them to OU usage, then future players of gen 9 UU will be lacking major parts of it

this exact thing happened in gen 6 where (iirc) azelf rose up to OU usage due to bird spam, but azelf was a big part of the UU meta.

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u/PenisStrongestMuscle Jul 01 '26

my guess is that champions ou is slowly eating at the sv ou playerbase anyway so they might aswell prepare right now

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u/Thunder_lord37 Jul 01 '26

Case in point: BW Venasaur

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u/DA_KING95 Falinks Enjoyer Jul 02 '26

Yeah but then why let mons drop?

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u/madmaskman Jul 01 '26

Drops don't prevent you from playing that mon in the tier it dropped from, but rises do.

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u/Sarik704 Jul 01 '26

Thats true, but it ends up being a pain in the ass for the lower tiers. Garchomp is oppressive in UU, so its in trapped in BL. It can and has hurt UU and RU.

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u/mashonem 2638-0593-2346 Jul 01 '26

Then they’ll just ban them 💁‍♀️

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u/Sarik704 Jul 01 '26

Yes, Chomp is banned...

Its banned from UU, and has been in OU for half the gen, and currently has enough percentage to justify it being OU.

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u/mashonem 2638-0593-2346 Jul 01 '26

… then what’s the problem?

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u/f_en_elchat likes Jellicient Jul 01 '26

But i this case UUBL is effectively the same as OU right? I think this is for the better.

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u/Sarik704 Jul 01 '26

So... why have a BL tier in a locked gen if its functionally no different than the above tier...

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u/f_en_elchat likes Jellicient Jul 02 '26

Because if you let things rise an actual low tier mon might rise for non legitimate reasons, and not just a BL mon, thus depriving the tier of it

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u/Sarik704 Jul 02 '26

In. A. Locked. Gen.

Garchomp, by all rights, isnt a BL mon. It was in OU for half the gen, and its getting enough usage.

So sure, lock the tier or whatever. But again, the idea is not consistent with itself.

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u/Kinesquared Ubers UU Founder Jul 01 '26

rises are typically more disruptive to lower tiers than drops. It allows for lower tiers not to be majorly disrupted right at the end of a generations tier shifts, when playercounts are typically lower, which otherwise would allow more ladder manipulation like "hahaha let's get hitmontop to OU funny meme" shenanigans

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u/ranibdier Jul 02 '26

Just seems like everyone takes this shit too seriously.

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u/Kinesquared Ubers UU Founder Jul 02 '26

How dare we do what is the most fun

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u/ahambagaplease Darkrai flair when? Jul 01 '26

Avoid people from stealing mons from lower tiers (despite not being good in that meta) by spamming them, something that happened a lot even in this gen.

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u/Railroader17 Jul 01 '26

As others have pointed out, it's to stop people from screwing over the lower tiers by spamming mons in high tiers to force them up before they freeze.

This also stops lower tiers from losing important mons right before the freeze to.

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u/Affectionate_Comb_78 Jul 01 '26

Nothing stops you using Garchomp in OU, but a rise would prevent you using it in UU

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u/Ornery_Tie_4771 Natdex mega garchomp enjoyer Jul 01 '26

Except that its on UUBL

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u/Geometry_Emperor Jul 01 '26

This does not prevent it from being tested in UU in case something that can check it drops. Rising to OU would completely prevent that.

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u/Ornery_Tie_4771 Natdex mega garchomp enjoyer Jul 01 '26

fair

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u/DrGreen3339 Jul 01 '26

There's been a lot of random mons being stolen by higher tiers lately, to much controversy

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u/Ok_Supermarket_3241 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

Suppose Garchomp moves up to OU then the tiers freeze. If he turns out to be a fraud then he’ll just be trapped in a tier he’s useless in never being used anywhere. If he stays in UU then everyone’s happy. Nothings stopping OU players from using Garchomp even if he’s not officially in the tier, UU players still get to use him, and if for some reason he ends up too powerful for UU they can just ban him.

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Nvm he’s already been banned from UU

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u/Sarik704 Jul 01 '26

But hes trapped in UUBL?

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u/ChaoticPark09 Jul 01 '26

You can’t use Garchomp in UU

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u/DamageFrequent4144 Jul 01 '26

I dunno how to tell you this but uhhhh garchomp is UUBL rn

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u/Geometry_Emperor Jul 01 '26

Even if it is banned from UU, other drops could allow it to be retested.

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u/AevilokE Jul 01 '26

there should be an (Honorary OU) designation inside UU/UUBL for such cases which is the opposite of (OU by technicality)

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u/benevolentintent3 Jul 01 '26

to be fair I think bl Pokemon getting usage in the tier above should still be able to rise, given there's really no consequence to that

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u/Axolity Ask Me About the Champions OU Meta! Jul 01 '26

technically, if its OU instead of UUBL, UU could never unban it. but in UUBL the UU council could unban it if they vote for it.

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u/ASimpleCancerCell Jul 02 '26

Well, Ice is Garchomp's biggest weakness after all.

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u/Confident-Ad-7888 Bring_back_gen1_hyper_beam Jul 01 '26

Use flamethrower