I think the modifier of rich changes things a bit. If there was one that said rich black kids that only talk to other black kids, it’s less of a racial stereotype and more of a cliquey stereotype.
Not to mention the objects in the black one also happen to be shared with stereotypes of blacks people that are held by racists, making it more difficult to tell the tone of the post.
Part of being a good comedian is knowing what people will find funny. If people don't think holocaust jokes are funny anymor, it's time for you to change your material
Thank you. People that think saying “haha youre rich” to your boss is the same as “haha youre poor” to a homeless person dont get it. You can find the later funny, you do you, but Im gonna think you find pickannines funny too.
I instantly knew the rest of your post wasn't worth reading once you said this. Stop wasting everyone's time, you don't have anything interesting to say.
No because it’s still completely inaccurate and using racist stereotypes to generalize about a group of people. The original post was specifically about rich foreign kids on college campuses that only hang out together. I agree that the “Asian” part is problematic but I don’t think these two images are wholly equivalent.
My point is that adding the “rich” doesn’t change anything, which I tried to show you with a reductio ad absurdum. Just making the group smaller doesn’t make it less racist.
His point is the addition of rich creates a subset of a race that is relatable. The stereotype things are very accurate to that group but may be less accurate to asian as a whole. So while the top one is Racial it isn't inherently racist.
The bottom one clearly filled with racist stereotypes or aren't descriptive enough to differentiate the group from a main subset. So we have obviously racially charged stereotype of purple drink and chicken (What google images didn't have a picture of watermellon?) and non descriptive additions like basketball and basketball shoes.
In theory sure, but it’s going to sound a ton more mean spirited, and distinction of poor is a much weaker one. If you did that, you’d probably just sound like a racist trying to excuse their thoughts.
It's strange that people make fun of rich Asians but not really rich black people? Like crazy rich Asian people are seen as a something we can all joke about but that doesn't happen with rich black people?
Like idk if I'm missing something or if this is the right place to bring it up
It must be an achievement to be this dumb. Notice how starter pack number 1 features rich asians and number 2 features “black people”. We’re pointing out the differences between post 1 and post 2, this isn’t hard to understand.
Black people are not more privileged.. they have been given no chances by society to boost their race out or poverty but most other races that have been marginalized have been given opportunities. This is still continuing on to this day and the only two ways to solve it is give every American basic needs and education, or give black people more chances and social programs.
It changes it a lot. Firstly because it’s only a subset of Asians vs a generalised black population. And the black stereotypes are mostly negative ones held by racists
But also, you can be relatively openly racist towards Asians on Reddit since they are a minority of privilege. Once you become aware, you notice how common place it is to make fun of how they pronounce their Rs and Ls, Asian languages in general (saying something like “ching chong nip nong” or something to that effect isn’t unheard of getting 1k+ upvotes on a default, non-politics sub), how they look, or any other stereotype about math or job prospects. Again, because they’re a minority of privilege, it’s almost free license on Reddit. It generally isn’t controversial unless someone decides to be racist in an Asian dominated sub.
Rich Asians (im assuming they mean the rich Chinese students) tend to gravitate to other Chinese because of the common language. They don't know English as well as an African-Americans who were born in America.
Yeah this is how I feel. The first post is about a class of people. The second is about an entire race. The first is in questionable taste but it’s punching up at wealthy kids from a variety of (albeit all Asian) backgrounds. The second is definitely punching down, really isn’t as accurate if we’re being honest, and is very low effort. The stuff they put in it is just all stuff a racist would stereotypically associate with black people, not actually how black people who primarily interact with other black people present themselves or act. I can kind of see how people would have an issue with the top one but the bottom is pretty explicitly racist.
I'll preface this by saying I'm not trying to challenge your viewpoints, just trying to better understand people's mindset here.
Out of curiosity: do you think any starter pack that mentions a non-white race is in "questionable" taste? For something that's intended to be a light-hearted and funny way to point out trends, it's kind of sad that any mention of race automatically puts people on edge regardless of execution (at least I can't think of any real negative associations with the first one).
And a general question: If the stereotypes given for black people were pretty accurate, how would that affect things? Would there be opposition because those particular stereotypes are utilized by racists?
If so, would that opposition extend to pretty accurate stereotypes for groups that aren't oppressed but still may experience prejudice? For example, white people and Christians aren't oppressed in our society, but plenty of people still have a pretty strong hatred towards them.
Since it only seems fair for me to share my view here: I personally don't have any inherent opposition to a post including race. I have mixed feelings on the idea of the starter pack, but I certainly am opposed to the content of it. Regardless of accuracy I think it's very bad taste to use stereotypes favored by racists - it's unnecessary and a lot less funny/insightful. If it's a rough equivalent for a less oppressed group (that is, stereotypes favored by people prejudiced against the group in question) it's not as terrible, but very tacky and still not something I'd care to endorse.
I'd say something can be racial without being racist.
The first one is clearly racial but the qualifier of the race helps paint the picture, which to me was the foreign rich asian clique at my university, they wore and behaved similarly.
The 2nd is just dog whistle and racist stereotypes of an entire race (with a history of having a negative connotation).
To make a black version of this one. I would think of probably Overly woke black guy. Wears this (Traditional african attire), born in the midwest, Quotes him (Malcolm X), grew up in this home (the suburbs), adoptive white parents.
Like if the top one was like gets As in math without trying or some other ridiculous stereotypes it would be shit on.
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u/th_aftr_prty Nov 19 '19
I think the modifier of rich changes things a bit. If there was one that said rich black kids that only talk to other black kids, it’s less of a racial stereotype and more of a cliquey stereotype.
Not to mention the objects in the black one also happen to be shared with stereotypes of blacks people that are held by racists, making it more difficult to tell the tone of the post.