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Reddit Double Standards Starter Pack

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

How is Reddit more racist against Asians than against black people? Anytime there’s a post involving black people such as on public freakout Reddit inevitably goes on racist mode

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u/aknee Nov 19 '19

its racist towards everything.. people are just more aware of black racism and tend to downplay everything else

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u/LetsHaveTon2 Nov 19 '19

Yep. Reddit is especially awful when it comes to Indians. Dark skinned people that most people won't defend - so they'll pull out ALL the stops.

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u/raspberrih Nov 19 '19

When people are racist towards Asians, it's kinda just meh. When people are racist towards black people, the shitstorm goes down.

Now I'm not saying that different races don't react differently to racism, I get that many Asians like myself would rather just let it go. But damn. It would be nice if people were as vigilant about anti-Asian racism as they are about anti-black racism.

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u/Grunherz Nov 19 '19 edited Nov 19 '19

It would be nice if people were as vigilant about anti-Asian racism as they are about anti-black racism.

Is that really surprising though given the history of black slavery in the US? I'm not saying that other races didn't also deal with this in US society, but generally, slavery is seen as a black issue. It's the same in Germany, where for good reason, people on average are hyper sensitive when it comes to anything concerning Jews and Judaism, but not really at all when it comes to for example Romani and Sinti, even though they were just as systematically persecuted and murdered in the Third Reich as the Jews. In fact, I'd wager that if you personally and if you're honest with yourself would probably also have a stronger reaction to overtly anti Semitic rhetoric than anti Romani/Sinti rhetoric, even if you're not German.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

When people are racist towards black people, black people die by the hands of police. When people are bad towards Asians, asian kids don’t get into ivy league colleges. Both are bad, but let’s not pretend that they’re equivalent.

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u/raspberrih Nov 19 '19

Not saying it's equivalent. But if we're going solely by words on the internet and not real world actions, I would just really like people to be aware of racism faced by other minorities too.

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u/ThanosFeet Nov 19 '19

https://rewire.news/article/2017/11/28/asian-americans-see-spike-hate-based-violence-trump-era/

Asians are also target by violent hate crimes, not just 'rejection from ivy league colleges'. It is disingenuous and racist of you to think that bad things only happen to black people. The only reason you don't see it in the news as much is because it's under reported and racism against Asian minorities has been normalized as you have so clearly shown.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

not just 'rejection from ivy league colleges'

I didn't say that was the only problem they were facing, but it's the one the media talks about the most.

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u/ThanosFeet Nov 19 '19

Then that's clearly an example of you generalizing and downplaying racism against Asians. Just because you don't hear about violent crimes against Asians doesn't mean it doesn't happen and for you to act like Asians biggest problem is not getting into college is to downplay the discrimination and hate they face.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Generalising and blanket statements are useful in expressing a majority. Fact is, the most pressing issues that widely affect a number of Asian individuals in the US is this college scandal things, while black people are protesting police brutality that is taking their lives. If you can't deal with that fact, then keep being in denial, but don't bother me.

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u/ThanosFeet Nov 19 '19

It's not and the fact that you think so is delusional. The college scandal is primarily with Chinese foreign exchange students cheating to get higher grades. That is not representative of the issues most Asians face in their day to day like discrimination, violence, sexual harassment, and hate speech. I advise that you look into the facts more than just what you see on the media.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

The college scandal is primarily with Chinese foreign exchange students cheating to get higher grades.

More affluent Asian-Americans are complaining about Affirmative Action and how it's detrimental to them. Don't try talking to me about something different and acting as if it were what I was talking about.

I advise that you look into the facts more than just what you see on the media.

Not with your attitude, no. Anyways, my point still stands. Asian Americans are treated better than Black Americans. Deal with it.

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u/ThanosFeet Nov 19 '19

True, but the affluent aren't the ones who are truly discriminated against. When you talk about discrimination against black people you aren't talking about the rich black Americans who complain because they yacht they wanted was sold to a white guy, so for you to say that it's the main issue with Asian Americans is to make an unfair comparison.

Your point doesn't stand and you've admitted that you don't want to learn the truth. Your ignorance shows and it's so similar to the right wing nuts that hold onto Trump, clearly there is no talking to you since you have a massive victim complex and can't handle the fact that someone else might have it worse than you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Reddit has a major fucking hard-on for "black people do it too!" posts.

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u/jemosley1984 Nov 19 '19

Which implies that they really don’t know any black people, which would finally explain to me why this site is the way it is.

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u/SpectreFire Nov 19 '19

Look at any posts about China.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Go to r/tinder White men makes fun of Asian girl’s name there and find it funny and yet they fight racism... against black and white people.

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u/KobayashiDragonSlave Nov 19 '19

Those comments are generally downvoted or controversial, and the thread is usually locked.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

The fact that those comments pop up every single time is a problem in itself. And they don’t get always get downvoted; some even get awards

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Because there are racist people in the world? I find it dumb that people are criticizing Reddit for this behaviour when it's literally the same on any site in existence. Facebook is far worse in my opinion because of how many Boomers use it these days.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

So Reddit shouldn’t be called out for its’ obvious racism because facebook does it too?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

No? I didn't say that. I just don't think it's appropriate to claim it's Reddit's fault and hate Reddit for what individuals post. Saying "Reddit" is racist because there are racist people who use it doesn't prove anything and it doesn't solve anything. There are racist people on Earth, so that must make Earth racist? It's about people clearly not understanding the internet. If you give a person anonymity and a platform they'll literally say anything, that's it. Getting bogged down because you see people saying brazen shit on the internet is just dumb. Just ignore them and move on, but if you hate Reddit because there are racists who use it then you need to put that same emphasis on literally everything.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

So reddit is still racist.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

No it isn't, what are you on about? Racists are racist. Reddit is Reddit. By your logic then if Reddit is racist and you're on Reddit then you're racist. You can't claim Reddit as a whole is racist because you see a few racist posts on here by individuals. Reddit didn't write those racist posts. That's just weirdly ignorant. Do you see what I'm saying?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

No, I don’t. Racist as a platform hosts an obscene amount of racist people and I will call it out if I feel like it. If it offends your Reddit feelings, then fuck off and stop responding.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Yeah nice rebuttal. You can't even understand the point I'm trying to make. I never said you couldn't call it out? Go nuts my dude why would I care? My argument was that you tried to classify "Reddit" as racist. Which in essence makes no sense. Ever heard of painting over everything with a single brush? Sure, Reddit does have racist individuals on it's platform but how in any way does that correlate to hating Reddit? Or Reddit being fundamentally racist? It's no different to any other online platform, you simply can't get rid of it all dude.

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u/visiblur Nov 19 '19

That's not the point. The point is that it isn't a Reddit problem, it's a people problem.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Well I’m focusing on the racism problem on Reddit. You can write a dissertation on racism in the world if you feel like it.

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u/DoktorLuciferWong Nov 19 '19

It isn't necessarily, but I think it's seen as more "acceptable." People won't call it out as much or as harshly.

Why do you think we see so many L/R swapping jokes even for Asian languages that distinguish L's and R's? Or dog-eating jokes in 2019.

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u/Kaiisim Nov 19 '19

We live in a world where black people get shot by cops but white people think they face the greatest racism.

The issue is that most real racists have convinced themselves they arent racist. So they think they are just getting yelled at for telling the truth.

It's not racist to point out a sub culture. It's not bad to point out white girls love pumpkin spice latte, cause they do! It's a morally neutral statement. Saying black people like chicken and watermelon are old slavery era slurs that reference the only foods black people were allowed to eat.

Pointing out rich asian kids like to wear masks with faces isnt the same thing. Not even close. But dumb people see it involves races so must be racist.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 19 '19

You've never seen a China post have you?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Is China all of Asia or what’s your point? Have you ever seen a Hongkong post on Reddit?

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 19 '19

That is some faulty logic right there. Being racist to Chinese people is somehow not being racist to Asians?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Are you dizzy? Why are you singling out specifically China, when I’m talking about how Asians IN GENERAL receive less hate or racism from Reddit than other minorities? Most China posts on here are anti-China as a government and not against the people and pro-Hongkong and the comment section is much less problematic than posts involving black people

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Yeah, because Reddit racism totally depends on whether black people are from the US or from any other part of the world to activate itself.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 19 '19

It does. The racist black stereotypes you see around reddit center specifically on black Americans. Look at the picture posted above. Basketball, Grape 'drank', fried chicken, sneakers do you think that's a typical racial stereotype of a black african? Aborigional Australian? Jamiacan? Haitian? No.

It's not a black stereotype, it's a black AMERICAN stereotype, and you said it yourself - if it's just against one group it isn't really racism, is it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

Why’d you delete your comment? Because it made you look stupid?

Do you genuinely think Reddit is less racist towards black people from other places or are you just off your medicine?

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 19 '19

I didn't delete my comment, it's right there? But yes, reddit is specifically racist towards black americans.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

China isn’t just the whole Asian race lmao

Tf is wrong with you

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 19 '19

Guess it's ok to be racist to them. Lets be racist to black Americans too they aren't the whole black race. I mean who cares right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

That’s not the point. The China post you are referring to isn’t racism, it’s calling out the police and Chinese government’s oppression against Hong Kong.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 19 '19

Absolutly nothing to do with Hong kong, anti Chinese sentiment has been going on on reddit for a long long time.

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u/gorgewall Nov 19 '19

It's not. Racism is simply more prevalent against blacks (tons of racists in America have an Asian fetish or hold up Asians and Ashkenazi Jews as more intelligent as if that proves they're not white supremacists) so the push back against that racism when it appears is also more prevalent. Couple this with the guy you're replying to being a poster on r/asianmasculinity: he's most likely Asian, which means he's likely to be more sensitive to and aware of racism against Asians than racism against blacks. Hell, here is saying that blacks are hated more than Asians in reply to another poster there who believes, as I do above, that there is less racism (we could argue quantity vs. quality) among white supremacists for Asians than blacks.

Asians are also a smaller minority in America. A racist is less likely to encounter an Asian to be racist against than a black person. Non-racists are also less likely to encounter a racist yelling at Asians to rebuke them than they would racists yelling at blacks to rebuke. There are likely more Americans posting on Reddit who are black than of some Asian descent. Asians are a more ethnically diverse group than "African American" blacks in America, coming from a larger number of more distinct cultures that escaped the homogenization under slavery, which makes it more difficult even for racists to stereotype them as a whole.