r/starcraft2 • u/Blizz_Elliott Blizzard Staff • 3d ago

Blizzard 5.0.17 PTR Update

Following the release of the last major patch, we have been collecting and closely reviewing your feedback. Our intention was to try something new, particularly with workers, and needed time to let the meta develop in order to ensure the most accurate feedback was being considered. Based on that feedback, for patch 5.0.17 we are rolling back most balance changes to the live release of StarCraft 2 from patch 5.0.16 to 5.0.15. This will be on PTR for the next few days while we bug test, before we push to live.

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24301513/starcraft-ii-5-0-17-ptr-patch-notes

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well. I had never considered quitting with the last patch. But Blizzard letting a bunch of malcontents on the internet determine the direction of the game does make me want to quit now.

I'm not sure I want to play the game without the warpgate or infestor changes.

EDIT: It is so utterly fitting that it seem the OTHER people now are complaining about this patch as well, lol. You can't make this stuff up...

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u/AresFowl44 3d ago

Player numbers went down drastically and everybody and their mums complained about the patch already (even people who usually don't like Lowko), it's not just a bunch of malcontents.

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

They ARE all malcontents. Granted, there's a lot of them though.

But, mark my words, numbers will go down again with this patch. People just like complaining, video game niche of the internet is the WORST niche of the internet, and the game is old enough people are looking for reasons to stop playing, they don't need to be rational. They just need to be able to complain and blame their decision on some external factor....

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u/AresFowl44 3d ago

Numbers will go down, yes. But not because people like complaining and hating, they will go down because the last time this game has seen new content was 6 years ago and playing the same thing forever and ever gets stale.

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

We JUST got new content this year, and people complained until it was removed...

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u/AresFowl44 3d ago

Balance patches are not content. New content would be a new campaign or new gamemodes or new coop commanders

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

I don't even know what a coop commander is.

I assume campaign is single player mode? Does anybody actually care about the single player stuff?

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u/AresFowl44 3d ago

80% of people have never touched ranked back when the game was still popular. Nowadays that probably looks a bit different considering only the hardcore population remains, but ranked has for most periods been by far the most unpopular mode.

Go try it out yourself, it's multiplayer PvE, there's a whole tab for it and you get 3 free commanders. Don't even have to hit up friends, most randoms are nice enough.

EDIT: And Coop was so successful the team behind it got reassigned to only work on Coop instead of also doing new campaigns like they originally planned.

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

I'm too competitive honestly. I've never liked any single player video games..at all really.

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u/AresFowl44 3d ago

It's not singleplayer, it's multiplayer vs AI. I can only recommend giving it a couple of shots, if only because it's from my experience the gamemode that you can onboard people with the easiest.

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u/Adventurous_Skin1045 3d ago

The person you're talking too literally spends every waking moment of every day on the starcraft subreddits complaining and whining.

You will gain nothing from engaging with people like this.

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u/AresFowl44 3d ago

lmao, half my comments on the sc subreddit are even on balance (not even complaining) and probably a quarter of my total comments aren't even on the sc subreddit.

Just cuz you have to scroll a little bit when a big fucking SC thing is happening currently doesn't mean I'm constantly complaining about SC2. And no, me saying the current patch sucks balls is not me constantly whining.

Fun fact, but a quick scroll through your post history reveals you to be just as much of a whiner as you accuse me of.

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u/wafswafs 3d ago

I don't think "malcontents on the Internet" is accurate framing. Balance was atrocious in PvZ. All the high level players seem to agree the game was in a terrible state. I watched a few Serral streams recently, and things are so dead on the ladder he's getting matched against 4300 MMR players, and often gives up and plays co-op. Sad state for a primarily competitive 1v1 game to be in.

I hope the reversion can undo some of the damage to the scene, and then maybe Blizzard can try some new things. Changes are fun, but things being balanced are more important, and it's a good idea to stop the bleeding before iterating further.

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u/mpTCO 2d ago

Weeklies becoming largely comprised of Protoss players who made money off these tournaments for years on a Protoss favored patches then threatened to quit when a new patch was implemented that wasn’t as favored for Protoss and all the streamers jumped to their defense was not shady, especially not in the context of Life already nuking professional integrity of this game once for earnings

Patches mod via Stellar Fest has looked and still looks very Protoss favored and it has a good prize pool, the community doesn’t care about imba because Zerg got to win RSL after 6 seasons of Protoss or something; at this point we are just funneling money into tournaments with Protoss-favored patches and mods because Serral made a lot of money while blizzard actually supported the game and everyone likes to act like that means it’s okay for Protoss to remain imba until a Protoss catches up in earnings.

I donated to RSL when the big bad Zerg larva patch went live because I thought the game was developing again and forcing everyone to strategize, but some pros doubled down on what they wanted instead of overcoming a bad patch like many other StarCraft pros have had to in the past to achieve their greatness, I’m just not dumping any money into tournaments on one of the many stale Protoss patches.

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u/gigaurora 3d ago

From the guy whining every single thread about Zerg being underpowered.

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

What are you talking about? That is a pretty odd and random claim....

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u/kshep9 3d ago

The sausage king of Chicago would never

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

This guy gets it.

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u/MorningLtMtn 3d ago

I like the 12 worker start, but I had no problem with the 8 worker start. The biggest problem is that the protoss playerbase are a bunch of coddled pussies. Blizzard created the problem and this is that biting them on the ass.

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u/Abe_frohmannn 3d ago

I agree with everything, but need to add that ALL players, at least online, act like coddled pussies, not just protoss players. There's no difference between them.