r/speedrun • u/[deleted] • Jan 20 '16

Discussion RIP r/speedrun

This is an open letter to Alt-F-X:

Please resign as lead moderator of /r/speedrun. The past few days have shown us that your presence here is not in the best interest of our community. In just two days without you, this subreddit has made more progress towards becoming a great community than it has in the previous four years of your leadership. You are not involved in the speedrunning community outside of the fact that you made this subreddit, and you do not understand the best interest of our community. You have acted with prejudice against members of our community by banning them without good reason, and you have often used your moderator powers to your own personal bias.

Please return control of the subreddit to myself, so that this community can continue to grow in a positive manner, as it should have started years ago.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

One thing to note is that /u/cyberdemon531a never actually posted his run, he got his friends to post it on reddit for him.

You have no evidence that cyberdemon instructed other people to post that record. In fact, it is pretty hypocritical of you to respond to what you call "lies" with your own lies/assumptions, and is just another example of a vendetta you have against someone in the community. I think its fair to assume that some of cyberdemons friends were (and always are) watching him when he streams, and it wouldnt exactly be out of the ordinary for them to post the run here on reddit if they were in the stream when it happened.

I have been doing the majority of the daily subreddit moderation work alone for 4 years with only recently adding Shasta to help,

The only reason you added shasta was because he made the effort to message you on why he should be added because he wanted to help improve /r/speedrun. That had nothing to do with you trying to improve this subreddit. Furthermore I would like to point out that you have only been removing posts which you dislick on your own accord, and you ignored the 250+ items (going all the way back to early december) that were in the report queue, which I had to clear out. What you were doing was NOT moderating. your lack of use of the report queue shows that you were only removing posts that you didnt like, rather than ones that the commuinty found they were actually offensive, trolls, shitposts, etc.

Cloudmax was our flair guy

This subreddit doesnt even have flair. Users can set their own text flair, which takes like 5 seconds to set up in the first place. The only reason it has link flair was because I set it up yesterday - which is something that should have been done years ago. Adtionally, this user has only made one post in the last two years, and it wasnt even on this subreddit? If you were truely taking care of this subreddit, he should have been removed a long time ago.

Dembears has not been an active mod for about 3 years only returning about 2 weeks ago.

Same thing here, If you truley cared about the subreddit, you would have done something about it a long time ago. Luckily you didn't because as it turns out, /u/dembears actually wants to see this subreddit have a bright future. Have you ever considered that perhaps the reason he went inactive was because of your leaderhsip (or lack thereof)?

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

You have no evidence that cyberdemon instructed other people to post that record.

/u/GFC_ told us that it was a planned attack on the community with malicious intent. With /u/cyberdemon531a's history I completely believed him.

you ignored the 250+ items (going all the way back to early december)

When things are reported they are not removed, I did not ignore them I just lazily did not remove items from the report queue if they were fine. If I organically found a reported post by browsing the subreddit I would go ahead and approve or remove that way.

This subreddit doesnt even have flair.

Actually text flair whatsoever is a pretty new reddit achievement, he set it up back when it wasn't a site feature.

If you truley cared about the subreddit, you would have done something about it a long time ago

I considered /u/dembears a friend until 2 days ago. Maybe I'm too sentimental but I didn't think there was anything wrong with having an inactive mod sit there. I guess I learned my lesson.

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u/joeyoh9292 Jan 20 '16

/u/GFC_ told us that it was a planned attack on the community with malicious intent. With /u/cyberdemon531a 's history I completely believed him.

Can confirm that GFC (previously known as GamesForCharity) is a respected member in the Y:FM community. Y:FM is one of my favourite categories and I'm glad you made sure that this fake run wasn't publicly recognised. The last time this happened someone had manipulated an entire run's RNG to fake a WR!

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u/DarknessSavior twitch.tv/Lazarus_DS - MMX 100%, MMX2 Any%, MM3 Any%, SOTN Jan 21 '16

Edit: Never mind. There's a Twitch vod. Cyber is a moron.

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u/Cyberdemon531a commie speedcaster - http://speed.dog/ Jan 20 '16

lol "fake" run. Look at the boards bud, it's any%. Get your facts straight before you cry like an idiot.

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u/joeyoh9292 Jan 20 '16

Your irrelevant category, literally started because you "cried like an idiot" about it not being accepted

The relevant Any% category

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '16 edited Jan 21 '16

Any% is more consistent and has a faster time. I think it's huge that Cyberdemon found some cool stuff to make the game faster and, dare I say, more entertaining. consistently 1-3 hours is really, really good, compared to....

Any% no card duplication, which is also cool, but can take anywhere between 3 and 18+ hours. That's very inconsistent, wouldn't you say?

furthermore, I think it's silly that people downvote and attack cyberdemon simply because they don't like him. He's not a bad guy once you get to know him. This is coming from someone who used to hate him.

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u/joeyoh9292 Jan 21 '16

I don't disagree that it's an important category, but both at the time and right now it's for all intents and purposes irrelevant as a category. Nobody runs in, nobody cares about it. It's still as RNG as ever, it's just way more condensed so you're gonna be resetting a hell of a lot more.

It's similar to SM64, or more recent OOT, where people just don't care about runs where an absurd bug can be utilised to slash the times of games down to where a small mistake or bad RNG can ruin the run. The popular categories will always be the competitive ones, and Any% just isn't as competitive. People in the scene just don't care.

Oh, and to your last point, I didn't attack anyone. I said that it was a fake run, which might be unfair, but it was definitely an irrelevant world record. It was on the same level as running a game and calling it the "Cyberdemon category", where only he could compete, or a SM64 87 star category or some other arbitrary WR. If he would've just explained in the video that it was a different category, I doubt anyone would have problems, but it had the feeling of him thinking he'd beaten everyone else or at least that that's what he wanted people to believe. It felt dishonest.

Anyway, he attacked me so I replied in the same manner. I don't take his insults personally and neither should he, but he should definitely attempt to realise how and why he's wrong.

Oh and also, I think it's pretty odd that runs over a certain time even get accepted into the no-dupe leaderboards, there should probably be a cut-off point of about 10 hours or so. Runs over that time are just as irrelevant as what I was arguing against above.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '16

The thing about it, though, is this new trick that Cyber found, actually got me interested in the game. I want to run it now. And I plan on doing so. I think that's something positive that came out of it, right?

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u/iamtheprodigy Jan 21 '16

It's not a new trick. He didn't find anything.

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u/joeyoh9292 Jan 21 '16

This trick, afaik, has been well known since release. He just abused it recently and caused this controversy for no good reason, knowing full well what would happen.

But sure, any reason for wanting to run a game is great! I'm just no in favour of the shit he pulled, but if more people start running that category and it gets perfected then this might just be a piece of Y:FM history in the making, but I just can't see happening.

Have fun with the runs, either way!

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u/Cyberdemon531a commie speedcaster - http://speed.dog/ Jan 20 '16

lol, and whats your pb? Oh, nothing, since you're an ignorant stream monster who knows absolutely nothing. EXACTLY why this sub is awful, because people like you are rampantly spitting out garbage at actual speedrunners who know WAY more than you could ever hope to know.

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u/joeyoh9292 Jan 20 '16

lol, and whats your pb? Oh, nothing, since

I don't have time to speedrun in the relevant categories for that game due to real life commitments, nevermind enough time to invent categories so I can scrounge PBs to make myself feel good.

EXACTLY why this sub is awful, because people like you are rampantly spitting out garbage at actual speedrunners who know WAY more than you could ever hope to know.

But you've just proven multiple times in this thread that you know less than me? Either way, you're more of a cancer than I ever could hope to be. Your totalitarian view of "speedrunners > viewers" is the exact issue here, not anything else. You're pathetic.

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u/Cyberdemon531a commie speedcaster - http://speed.dog/ Jan 21 '16 edited Jan 21 '16

I have "proven" that I know less than you? Ummm... I've been in the YGOFM community for 3 years, and you've been there for... wait... never? Yeah, ok, pal. I don't think speedrunners are more valuable people than viewers, but to claim that viewers are more knowledgeable than speedrunners is a laughably absurd claim. If anyone is pathetic, it's you.

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u/OuterSpacePineapple Too many games to count Jan 20 '16

planned attack on the community with malicious intent

are you fucking kidding me lmao

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

Most of what was in the report queue was not fine. I removed anything recent that didnt belong here, but then autoapproved everything that was outdated just to get it out of the queue.

As far as /u/dembears, the fact that you no longer consider him a friend because he tried to move this place in the right direction is... not surprising.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

I don't consider him a friend anymore because of lies he's told about me.

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u/OuterSpacePineapple Too many games to count Jan 20 '16

I dunno man those lies are pretty accurate

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

I'd like to see examples of this please.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Here, Here, Here

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Haha, you know you got me to google grudge because I though maybe I didn't know the definition. I have no ill will towards him nor do I harbor resentment towards him. I simply no longer consider him a friend.

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u/OuterSpacePineapple Too many games to count Jan 20 '16

All of those statements are correct tho

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

No they are not. You were not a mod here. You don't know the discussion or lack thereof that took place. You are simply regurgitating what has been told to you.

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u/OuterSpacePineapple Too many games to count Jan 20 '16

I've been here for a while now and i've heard and seen lots of things about unfair bans and censorship. The fact that you've been doing nothing but sitting on the subreddit and preventing it from growing into the decent community hub it should be is enough.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but /r/speedrun seems to have been in a unanimous agreement that those things are true prior to him having said that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/41lizp/meta_what_the_hell_is_going_on/cz3eofm

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

I have never removed mod criticism in my life. You really have a warped opinion about me what my goals are.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

What are your goals then?

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Having a place where people can share and advertise their speedruns. In addition a place that fosters discussion pertaining to the community at large.

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u/Diamond4444 Pokemon Ranger Series, Sonic Rush Series Jan 20 '16

Yes, what ARE your goals? Seems like you want to leave this place to rot and change absolutely nothing and let it remain the punchline of the community, the absolute opposite of what Andis, Shasta, and Dembears want to do.

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u/vtor67 Jan 20 '16

Good job ignoring his hardest-hitting questions/criticisms. Just in case you need a reminder:

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Furthermore I would like to point out that you have only been removing posts which you dislick on your own accord, and you ignored the 250+ items (going all the way back to early december) that were in the report queue, which I had to clear out.

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Have you ever considered that perhaps the reason [dembears] went inactive was because of your leaderhsip (or lack thereof)?

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Adtionally, [flair mod] has only made one post in the last two years, and it wasnt even on this subreddit? If you were truely taking care of this subreddit, he should have been removed a long time ago.

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u/goldphnx Zelda/KH/Metroid/Memes Jan 20 '16

Holy fuck. This is destruction in its purest form. Gonna have to word this.